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Old 04-10-2019, 07:47 AM
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The pitching coach isn't the problem, although it was a problem before Don Cooper was hired. And while the White Sox wouldn't rehire Nardi Contreras, firing Cooper to hold him accountable for the mess that is White Sox pitching could make the pitching coach the problem again.
Well, he's not a solution either. I'm tired of watching the starting staff not pitch within the zone consistently, not attacking hitters and not holding runners on. If Don Cooper can't stress those areas enough and have his staff work on those areas then just how good of a coach is he at this point?
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Old 04-10-2019, 08:22 AM
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I donít blame coop for all there lows. Hahn and Williams solution is alway some 2nd or 3rd rate guy off the scrap heap with the coop Iíll fix him how about we spend some money on decent pitchers.this rebuild is starting to look like a joke
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Old 04-10-2019, 09:33 AM
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I donít blame coop for all there lows. Hahn and Williams solution is alway some 2nd or 3rd rate guy off the scrap heap with the coop Iíll fix him how about we spend some money on decent pitchers.this rebuild is starting to look like a joke
Because now is not the time to start spending $$$$ on pitching. That's putting a tuxedo on a pig. This season is about evaluating what they have in Rodon, Giolito, Lopez, Cease, Hansen, etc. If 2-3 of them regress, the Sox will know what they need to shop for in '20.

I'm as frustrated as the next guy but the very worse thing the Sox could do is clean house in the front office. They have to allow Rick's plan to play out. If it doesn't work and the Sox aren't contending in 2021, he should be sent packing, no question. But bringing in a new GM - one that will also be hamstrung by Jerry's budget, is a poor idea.

Their drafting has improved. They appear to have a potential superstar in Luis Robert who Hahn/Williams were able to convince to sign with the Sox despite receiving a supposedly higher offer from STL.
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Old 04-10-2019, 10:01 AM
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They can keep Cooper, get rid of him it doesn't matter. As long as Kenny/Hahn are running the ship it's going to be a perpetual rebuild.
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Old 04-15-2019, 05:29 PM
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Because now is not the time to start spending $$$$ on pitching. That's putting a tuxedo on a pig. This season is about evaluating what they have in Rodon, Giolito, Lopez, Cease, Hansen, etc. If 2-3 of them regress, the Sox will know what they need to shop for in '20.

I'm as frustrated as the next guy but the very worse thing the Sox could do is clean house in the front office. They have to allow Rick's plan to play out. If it doesn't work and the Sox aren't contending in 2021, he should be sent packing, no question. But bringing in a new GM - one that will also be hamstrung by Jerry's budget, is a poor idea.

Their drafting has improved. They appear to have a potential superstar in Luis Robert who Hahn/Williams were able to convince to sign with the Sox despite receiving a supposedly higher offer from STL.
I have no idea why people think Hahn is not doing a good job. His rebuild has been excellent. He did what he needed to do and now its on the players. Yes he has made mistakes but everyone does.
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Old 04-15-2019, 06:09 PM
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I have no idea why people think Hahn is not doing a good job. His rebuild has been excellent. He did what he needed to do and now its on the players. Yes he has made mistakes but everyone does.


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Old 04-15-2019, 06:52 PM
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I think this season will tell alot of Coop's current ability to help a staff-

He has a 100% healthy Rodon and Giolito and Lopez are in their 2nd full season in the bigs- how those 3 develop under his tutelage will say alot. I'm not going to judge him on how Nova and Santana perform.

The progress of Fry, Burr, Ruiz and Banuelos (and some of the other guys that are sure to get time) will be a measure as well- especially Fry since he was up a good chunk of last year.
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:08 PM
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I have no idea why people think Hahn is not doing a good job. His rebuild has been excellent. He did what he needed to do and now its on the players. Yes he has made mistakes but everyone does.
Well he's been in charge for 6 years and not a lot to show for it.
But, to be brief:
1)Abruptly stopping the retooling that had started in December 2013. We would have seen a Brewers/Rays/As rebuild had it succeeded. I don't know that it would have, but it was off to a very good start (bringing in Eaton and improving 10 games in one season). And when they stopped it to "go for it", the team improved only marginally at a long-term cost.
2)The debacle of June 2016 is unforgivable to me.
3)Getting virtually nothing out of any secondary trades in the current rebuild. All of the successful retoolers and 3-year rebuilders got some important hits in these trades.
4)Consistently poor evaluation of veterans (FAs and players traded for) throughout Hahn's tenure. That will matter in a year or so and I don't see it suddenly changing.
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:36 PM
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I give Santana two more starts before he's DFA'ed
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:52 PM
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I think this season will tell alot of Coop's current ability to help a staff-

He has a 100% healthy Rodon and Giolito and Lopez are in their 2nd full season in the bigs- how those 3 develop under his tutelage will say alot. I'm not going to judge him on how Nova and Santana perform.

The progress of Fry, Burr, Ruiz and Banuelos (and some of the other guys that are sure to get time) will be a measure as well- especially Fry since he was up a good chunk of last year.
If this staff is close to the hot mess it was at the end of last season then what do you do?
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:20 PM
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I give Santana two more starts before he's DFA'ed
Who whould replace him? The pitching is paper-thin as it is. We are not going to DFA capable arms.
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:20 PM
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Who whould replace him? The pitching is paper-thin as it is. We are not going to DFA capable arms.
Well you know, he got shelled his first outing after a very short spring training then came back and gave up some big hits early tonight, so he's clearly worthless. No way he can consistently give the Sox 5-6 innings after that happened. Should have cut him entering the third...
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:24 PM
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I give Santana two more starts before he's DFA'ed
I say let's wait and see. This guy was a top line pitcher a couple years ago until he was injured. He may just need reps to get his form back.
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:27 PM
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Cooper won a world series in 2005, so he has a job as long as JR is alive.

My problem is, Cooper isn't developing ANY of the young pitchers. Guys are going off line to get better, and the one skill Cooper has, teaching the cutter, is hurting these kids far more than its helping.
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Old 04-26-2019, 11:22 AM
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Just as Nostradamus has predicted
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