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Old 05-13-2019, 10:31 AM
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Williams isn't a bad talent evaluator. Some of his drafts were bad because he was reaching, drafting for position, drafting on-the-cheap etc. Plus, it's not like Williams is the only person who likes Abrams that high.

High school busts can bust in A ball and, as such, look particularly ugly; college busts can usually handle A ball but bust in AA or AAA. Our college drafts aren't as ugly, but so far, they haven't been any more lucrative.
I heartily disagree on his amateur talent evaluation skills. On top of drafting for premium position capability over actual baseball talent, he keyed in far too much on singular tools that have very little to do with hitting the damn baseball.
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Old 05-13-2019, 10:54 AM
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So was Chris Sale.
Iíll give you that, but I still feel there was no other choice. The completely previously healthy, maybe best pitcher in the draft who fell because of possible future injury concerns based on frame and delivery. Sale was also KW's only good first round pick, so blind squirrels and such.

If Iím taking a HS player in the top 3, itís going to be a Manny Machado type who people can project to hit and be in the bigs by 20. Thatís just not the case with Abrams.
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:01 PM
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Iíll give you that, but I still feel there was no other choice. The completely previously healthy, maybe best pitcher in the draft who fell because of possible future injury concerns based on frame and delivery. Sale was also KW's only good first round pick, so blind squirrels and such.
Sale fell not because of the prospect that a bunch of posters on WSI thought he was a shoulder injury waiting to happen, but because he was insisting on playing in The Show the year he was drafted. The teams picking before the Sox did not want to make that commitment, Kenny said "why not?"
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:26 PM
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I heartily disagree on his amateur talent evaluation skills. On top of drafting for premium position capability over actual baseball talent, he keyed in far too much on singular tools that have very little to do with hitting the damn baseball.
Maybe so, but what we are doing now hasn't proven to be any better. Williams' real weakness was a lack of understanding of trade value.
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:52 PM
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Maybe so, but what we are doing now hasn't proven to be any better. Williams' real weakness was a lack of understanding of trade value.
Seriously? You don't think being one-fer in his entire first round draft is a real weakness?

KW failed to restock a good team from within, plain and simple. He got Ozzie his derby horses and tried to keep competing with an aging core by added over-the-hill veterans and trading crapshoots for crapshoots.

Well, Hahn's draft classes and young player acquisitions already exceed anything KW achieved farm wise.
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:56 PM
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Sale fell not because of the prospect that a bunch of posters on WSI thought he was a shoulder injury waiting to happen, but because he was insisting on playing in The Show the year he was drafted. The teams picking before the Sox did not want to make that commitment, Kenny said "why not?"
You really think that's ther true cause for him to fall when pretty much every expert warned of a future of fraility?

Sale looked as dominant as any amateur pitcher that draft with command over a ridiculous fastball-slider combo.
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Old 05-13-2019, 02:14 PM
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Sale fell not because of the prospect that a bunch of posters on WSI thought he was a shoulder injury waiting to happen, but because he was insisting on playing in The Show the year he was drafted. The teams picking before the Sox did not want to make that commitment, Kenny said "why not?"
The problem is Kenny also said "Why not" to Jared Mitchell, Keon Barnum, Courtney Hawkins, Kyle Muccolloch, Lance Broadway, Josh Fields, etc. Kenny did not cover himself in glory with his drafts.
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Seriously? You don't think being one-fer in his entire first round draft is a real weakness?

KW failed to restock a good team from within, plain and simple. He got Ozzie his derby horses and tried to keep competing with an aging core by added over-the-hill veterans and trading crapshoots for crapshoots.

Well, Hahn's draft classes and young player acquisitions already exceed anything KW achieved farm wise.
Whoa whoa whoa....his player acquisitions are by trading 2 players Kenny Williams acquired. I'll give him credit for the 2 Eaton trades - the two best he's made (I've asked several times why he quit trading for young players after the winter of 2013). After his first season, Hahn has never drafted lower than 11th and the fruits of his drafts are exceeded by, oh, as an example, the 3 KW draft choices he traded for 1 year of Jeff Samardzija (actually Semien by himself exceeds the WAR of Hahn's drafts). And that's including Anderson whom we both know is a KW profile pick. As for over the hill vets, see the hahn thread.
He may be better at drafting than KW - goodness I hope he is. But the results to date haven't borne that out.
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Old 05-15-2019, 10:13 AM
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This isn't part of the June draft, but is there any word on potential international signings this spring? I believe the Sox "penalty box" status (for signing Robert) ends on July 2.

Are there any high-talent players that the Sox could/should pursue starting July 2?
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Old 05-20-2019, 11:48 AM
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CBS put out a mock draft earlier today. Still has Vaughn going 3rd: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/m...oyals-at-no-2/
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Old 05-20-2019, 12:34 PM
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CBS put out a mock draft earlier today. Still has Vaughn going 3rd: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/m...oyals-at-no-2/
In my mind, if 1-2 goes as expected, itís Vaughn or Greene. Iíd be fine with either decision for the franchise.
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CBS put out a mock draft earlier today. Still has Vaughn going 3rd: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/m...oyals-at-no-2/
The Athletic put out a profile on Vaughn last week that I just got a chance to read. I recommend it for those with a subscription. Some scouts are comparing him to Jeff Bagwell - an undersized first baseman that is just a born hitter, with good power and plate discipline. They're also saying his numbers are a bit down this year because pitchers are pitching around him, and he is not forcing the issue, he's happy to take his walks. But he's still dialed in and ready to crush it over the fence if a pitcher makes a mistake.

https://theathletic.com/972735/2019/...andrew-vaughn/
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Old 05-20-2019, 01:12 PM
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Sometimes you have to just get the bat. Look at Seth Beer, everyone kind of freaked out about him and he fell, and he has been an absolute monster.
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Unless Rutchmann or Witt Jr falls to 3, I think you have to take Vaughn. He has better college numbers than Bregman and Senzel, even though the Pac 12 isn't as good as the SEC. The other options (mainly Abrams) seem like high bust potential, without massive upside.
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Old 05-20-2019, 02:11 PM
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You really think that's ther true cause for him to fall when pretty much every expert warned of a future of fraility?

Sale looked as dominant as any amateur pitcher that draft with command over a ridiculous fastball-slider combo.
It's funny, though, that some of the experts who were writing that Sale was arm surgeries waiting to happen were falling all over themselves in praise about a decade earlier over this Mark Prior kid.

Some of what was written about Sale also was written about Stephen Strasburg, and there was never any question that he was going to be the first pick in Mike Trout draft.
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