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Old 05-21-2019, 09:05 PM
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Guys like Nolan and Roman could potentially one day be the 25th man on a roster in which case they will need to be able to do things like lay down a bunt from time-to-time.
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Old 05-21-2019, 09:39 PM
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With Interleague play there's actually a chance they will have to do just that.
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He pitched 2 solid innings against Houston proving that you don't know what you're talking about.
I read teal here...right?
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:42 AM
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With Interleague play there's actually a chance they will have to do just that.
Plus aren't rosters expanding to 26 next year? If you have a double header they might expand to 27. There's a lot of filler in the minor leagues who might get a shot a cup of coffee and I would assume every organization wants to see what those filler guys can and can't do.
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You also don't want Minaya as a relief pitcher despite the fact that he now has an ERA of 2.16.
He has also allowed 3 out of 5 inherited runners to score. In his 9.1 innings of work, he has allowed 6 runners to cross home plate. He sucks, and I will be thrilled to see him go.
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A lot of the stats don't put events into context. Including bunting. But I can think of only 1 situation where it makes definitive sense: tie game, at home, 9th inning or later - i.e. a situation where 1 run wins the game period. It's probably defensible in the 8th (for a home team; 9th for a visitor), also in a tie game, where you have a dominant closer ready for the 9th. You should never bunt when behind in the game - ever.
The Sox went "All Ozzie" in 2007 and we saw how that turned out.
I'm not sure how launch angle works (beyond the obvious that it gets the ball in the air) but guys like Madrigal and Tillerson need some sort of launch angle to turn their grounders into line drives and so that when they do perfectly square one up it leaves the yard. You can't be effective by beating balls into the dirt.
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Old 05-24-2019, 01:12 PM
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A lot of the stats don't put events into context. Including bunting. But I can think of only 1 situation where it makes definitive sense: tie game, at home, 9th inning or later - i.e. a situation where 1 run wins the game period. It's probably defensible in the 8th (for a home team; 9th for a visitor), also in a tie game, where you have a dominant closer ready for the 9th. You should never bunt when behind in the game - ever.
The Sox went "All Ozzie" in 2007 and we saw how that turned out.
I'm not sure how launch angle works (beyond the obvious that it gets the ball in the air) but guys like Madrigal and Tillerson need some sort of launch angle to turn their grounders into line drives and so that when they do perfectly square one up it leaves the yard. You can't be effective by beating balls into the dirt.
The problem with the '07 team was 1) the bullpen 2) injuries 3) the bullpen. The 2007 White Sox hit the second most homers in the AL that year.
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Old 05-24-2019, 01:55 PM
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The Sox went "All Ozzie" in 2007 and we saw how that turned out.
If by "All Ozzie" you mean having the 3rd or 4th worst bullpen in the AL, the 3rd most errors in the AL and the worst WAR in all of baseball for positional players you'd be right. But if you mean the most bunt attempts, you'd be very incorrect...
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Old 05-24-2019, 04:46 PM
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The problem with the '07 team was 1) the bullpen 2) injuries 3) the bullpen. The 2007 White Sox hit the second most homers in the AL that year.
Yea, they still had Thome Konerko and a few others.
Also Darin Erstad, Jerry Owens, Alex Cintron, and last in team obp in the majors. That team hacked and lunged at everything.
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Sorry - I made my post twice.

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Old 05-25-2019, 08:39 AM
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Darin ".400 hitter" Erstad, Jerry Owens, Alex Cintron and the worst OBP in baseball despite having 5 or so power hitters. That team added players that hacked and lunged at everything.
Free swinging for sure. Still, nothing to do with "small ball".
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Free swinging for sure. Still, nothing to do with "small ball".
Everything to do with it. They just didn't do it totally through bunting.. Erstad could slap it to whatever side of the infield Ozzie directed (that skill of moving runners up is why he called him a .400 hitter)...and the plus of that over bunting is that there was a chance it could get through. Thus, the Sox were sixth in MLB in homers and 28th in runs scored. It was another year before he could push out Thome for Kotsay.
Fortunately, after the 2007 season, KW brought a couple of good hitters on board and they helped for 2008 at least; Quentin saved the day.
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Old 05-25-2019, 01:45 PM
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Yea, they still had Thome Konerko and a few others.
Also Darin Erstad, Jerry Owens, Alex Cintron, and last in team obp in the majors. That team hacked and lunged at everything.
Owens and Cintron got a lot of playing time due to injury though. Cintron was also a decent back up infielder in 2006
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