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Old 08-30-2019, 05:51 PM
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We know the MLB ball is juiced. MLB has even admitted as much. See here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...?noredirect=on

But you would still think there would be more than 3 pitchers with an ERA under 5 in the PCL. Unless the ball they're using there is even MORE juiced than the MLB version? It's supposedly the same.

There are plenty of variables from how small the ballparks play to flawed trends in trends of in evaluating pitching talent. Fresno and Reno (which is about 4,500 feet) have always been rough on pitchers.
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:11 PM
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A pitcher complaining about too many homeruns....wow, never heard that before! Anytime there is a burst of homeruns, pitchers complain. Was like that when they brought in the DH, was like that in 1987, was like that in 2000.

Verlander has given up 25 home runs this year, the most at All-Star break in his career which could be why he's complaining. But he's also 36 years old so that might have something to do with it.

Baseball is a game that evolves, if pitchers get an upper hand, hitters adjust. If hitters get an upper hand, pitchers adjust. My advice to MLB pitchers, stop throwing so many fast balls. Off speed pitches are harder to hit out. But until then, lets all blame the baseball!
They are throwing more offspeed pitches than ever before.
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:25 PM
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There are plenty of variables from how small the ballparks play to flawed trends in trends of in evaluating pitching talent. Fresno and Reno (which is about 4,500 feet) have always been rough on pitchers.

The WSJ ran a piece a couple of weeks back about the ridiculous increase in HRs hit in two triple A leagues. That followed a July 8th piece stating SO are up for the twelfth straight year and that HRs represent sixteen percent of the hits in the league up from eight percent in 1989.


Forty-five percent of all runs scored across the league now come as the result of a HR. That's up from forty percent last year and twenty-eight percent thirty years ago.
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There are plenty of variables from how small the ballparks play to flawed trends in trends of in evaluating pitching talent. Fresno and Reno (which is about 4,500 feet) have always been rough on pitchers.
The large percentage increase is due to all those factors but a spike like this likely means one factor is weighted for more heavily than any other.
"The Twins entered the game with 262 homers, but the balls began flying over the fence early, as Garver opened the game with his third career leadoff roundtripper before Max Kepler went deep in the second, Jorge Polanco followed suit in the fifth, C.J. Cron powered one to the opposite field in the sixth and Nelson Cruz tied the record in the eighth with a 450-foot rocket over the center-field wall."

The Twins...

Four hundred and fifty feet by a thirty-nine year old.

https://www.mlb.com/news/twins-all-time-home-run-record

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I read where attendance is down, and even the Yankees have been seeing empty seats . it seems to me that mlb is maneuvering baseball into a more offense oriented game, much as they did after the 94 strike . the McGwire-Sosa homerun race will always be credited for helping to save baseball following that strike . they turned a blind eye to ped use, to create more offense and it worked . they are doing that once again with the tighter-wound balls, like they are trying to create a live video game type environment . not sure that it's working this time.
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I read where attendance is down, and even the Yankees have been seeing empty seats . it seems to me that mlb is maneuvering baseball into a more offense oriented game, much as they did after the 94 strike . the McGwire-Sosa homerun race will always be credited for helping to save baseball following that strike . they turned a blind eye to ped use, to create more offense and it worked . they are doing that once again with the tighter-wound balls, like they are trying to create a live video game type environment . not sure that it's working this time.
Agreed but think it's more than turning a blind eye. MLB is actively juicing the ball.
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Just using the unsophisticated, completely subjective eye test, balls seem to be flying out this year that would have never left the yard in previous years. Anderson hit a HR to right center against the Twins last series. The ball was off the end of the bat. He didnít put a good swing on it. Off the bat, it looked like maybe a long single to split the outfielders and might two-hop the wall. Ended up a few rows into the seats.
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Just using the unsophisticated, completely subjective eye test, balls seem to be flying out this year that would have never left the yard in previous years. Anderson hit a HR to right center against the Twins last series. The ball was off the end of the bat. He didnít put a good swing on it. Off the bat, it looked like maybe a long single to split the outfielders and might two-hop the wall. Ended up a few rows into the seats.
Can't count the number of "that's a routine fly" or even "Popup" moments I've had this year where the ball ended up in the stands.
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Old 09-01-2019, 01:44 PM
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Honestly, it doesn't matter to me if the ball is juiced or not. If it's uniform, then all players have the same opportunity to adjust.

I have a bigger issue with inconsistent strike zones than I do the makeup of the baseball.
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Old 09-01-2019, 02:06 PM
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I'd much rather have inconsistent strike zones, which we only know about because of the broadcast telling us that it's inconsistent via the box, than having a glorified home run derby every night that takes 3+ hours far too often. Baseball is killing itself right now. History will not be kind to this hopefully brief period of baseball
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Agreed but think it's more than turning a blind eye. MLB is actively juicing the ball.
I was going to write that the fact MLB is actively doing this makes it even worse. However, I'm not sure I feel that way. Is this different than lowering the mound? Probably, because juicing the baseballs was apparently done surreptitiously. Is there anything pitchers can do in response? For example, is it possible to get more spin out of a more tightly wound ball?

Researchers at Washington State haven't finished their study of "juiced" baseballs.
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I was going to write that the fact MLB is actively doing this makes it even worse. However, I'm not sure I feel that way. Is this different than lowering the mound? Probably, because juicing the baseballs was apparently done surreptitiously. Is there anything pitchers can do in response? For example, is it possible to get more spin out of a more tightly wound ball?

Researchers at Washington State haven't finished their study of "juiced" baseballs.
Wasn't it Verlander who said that the stitches are tighter and closer to the ball too so it's harder to grip the ball well and impart spin.

Next year when teams have to use pitchers for at least three batters this may have an even bigger impact as teams will need to find guys who can actually pitch whole innings at least without getting lit up the instant they face someone who swings from the other side of the plate. Scores might go even higher.
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Wasn't it Verlander who said that the stitches are tighter and closer to the ball too so it's harder to grip the ball well and impart spin.

Next year when teams have to use pitchers for at least three batters this may have an even bigger impact as teams will need to find guys who can actually pitch whole innings at least without getting lit up the instant they face someone who swings from the other side of the plate. Scores might go even higher.
Are you implying that teams have to fill out their rosters with below average talent?

The chimerical plan of implementing a command economy comes to baseball. It will be fun to watch it fail.

So needless when the answers are right there in front of them.

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Wasn't it Verlander who said that the stitches are tighter and closer to the ball too so it's harder to grip the ball well and impart spin.

Next year when teams have to use pitchers for at least three batters this may have an even bigger impact as teams will need to find guys who can actually pitch whole innings at least without getting lit up the instant they face someone who swings from the other side of the plate. Scores might go even higher.
Good timing, right? How would he explain pitching a no hitter?! I think the rise of the 3-outcome hitter is only going to make no hitters and near-no-hitters more frequent.
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Good timing, right? How would he explain pitching a no hitter?! I think the rise of the 3-outcome hitter is only going to make no hitters and near-no-hitters more frequent.

Really, it isn't a no-hitter unless it's a complete game, nine-inning win. A team may not get any hits facing three or four or more pitchers, but that has more to do with the futility of the offense than the dominance of the pitching.
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