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Old 08-26-2019, 08:42 PM
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Ironically, without that strategy and patience, the games are longer, the pace is slower than ever. Baseball's efforts to create more action has resulted in less action spread out over a longer game.
The 3-batter/end-of-inning minimum will help. I hope they make it 5 batters in 2021. Trimming the fat on mid-inning pitching changes will be awesome.
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Old 08-26-2019, 10:14 PM
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The 3-batter/end-of-inning minimum will help. I hope they make it 5 batters in 2021. Trimming the fat on mid-inning pitching changes will be awesome.
No, it won't. It's not about pitching changes. It's about strikeouts and walks. It's about pitchers who can't throw strikes. It's about hitters working pitchers for long counts. A three-batter limit for pitcher who can't dispatch hitters who aren't putting the ball in play will be just as interminable as pitching changes.

It isn't the dead time around the play. If it were, you could simply eliminate commercials (run them as the game progresses in a split screen) and put an end to manager appeals for replay. As it is, appeals to replay in many games involve more dead time than the dead time from multiple pitching changes within innings. With replay it isn't just the time that calls are being reviewed in New York. It's the time umpires allow managers to watch televised replays before deciding whether to appeal. But no one seems to care about the dead time involved in reviewing umpires' decisions.

Still, it isn't about the dead time around the game. It's about the dead time inside the game. Until baseball comes to understand that, their reactionary changes won't make a dent in the pace of the pace of the game.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:50 PM
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No, it won't. It's not about pitching changes. It's about strikeouts and walks. It's about pitchers who can't throw strikes. It's about hitters working pitchers for long counts. A three-batter limit for pitcher who can't dispatch hitters who aren't putting the ball in play will be just as interminable as pitching changes.

It isn't the dead time around the play. If it were, you could simply eliminate commercials (run them as the game progresses in a split screen) and put an end to manager appeals for replay. As it is, appeals to replay in many games involve more dead time than the dead time from multiple pitching changes within innings. With replay it isn't just the time that calls are being reviewed in New York. It's the time umpires allow managers to watch televised replays before deciding whether to appeal. But no one seems to care about the dead time involved in reviewing umpires' decisions.

Still, it isn't about the dead time around the game. It's about the dead time inside the game. Until baseball comes to understand that, their reactionary changes won't make a dent in the pace of the pace of the game.
No, itís about the mid-inning pitching changes. Home runs and walks donít bore me at all. Completely dead time with some MLB-sponsored fluff video on the scoreboard and absolutely nothing of interest happening on the field is just death, especially when itís nothing but mediocrity replacing opposite-handed mediocrity.

I would not mind at all if they extended the philosophy to eliminate mid-inning pitching changes altogether. Make it so only starters and injured relievers can be removed mid-inning. That will heavily discourage teams from pulling a starter who is doing well after only 70 or 80 pitches.
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Old 08-27-2019, 04:10 AM
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Who cares how many times a manager replaces a pitcher? If a manager cannot manage his staff too bad.

Weed out the bad umps; go back to the old strike zone.

Worried about mediocrity creeping into the game? A little late for that.

To eliminate mediocrity I'd rather the league contract.

Why go statist?
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Old 08-27-2019, 01:16 PM
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Every single mid-inning pitching change that can be eliminated saves 2:00 of completely dead time. Managers who go by number of pitches instead of number of innings can hypothetically make 5 or more such changes per game. Even in less egregious scenarios, both teams can sometimes combine for 5 or more of these changes.

If baseball wants to shave 10-15 minutes off game lengths, mid-inning pitching changes are the best place to start. Lots of games will be reduced by 10+ minutes simply by this alone.
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Old 08-27-2019, 01:20 PM
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The time cost isn't in the pitching changes, it's in letting them warm up for 2 minutes on the mound after just getting some warming up in the bullpen
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The time cost isn't in the pitching changes, it's in letting them warm up for 2 minutes on the mound after just getting some warming up in the bullpen
I’m just counting that as part of the pitching change. They always will allow a pitcher to get some tosses in when he changes mounds from the bullpen to the field of play. The Players’ Union will call that a safety concern if MLB tries to disallow those warmups.

I would figure that people who find baseball too slow and boring would jump for joy at ditching pitching changes, not defend them to the death.
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Old 08-27-2019, 03:22 PM
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The time cost isn't in the pitching changes, it's in letting them warm up for 2 minutes on the mound after just getting some warming up in the bullpen
Most pitchers aren't completely warmed up when they are called in relief mid inning. You are supposed to get enough throws in so that you will be ready to go after the 7 additional pitches you get on the game mound.
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Old 08-27-2019, 03:25 PM
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No, it won't. It's not about pitching changes. It's about strikeouts and walks. It's about pitchers who can't throw strikes. It's about hitters working pitchers for long counts. A three-batter limit for pitcher who can't dispatch hitters who aren't putting the ball in play will be just as interminable as pitching changes.

It isn't the dead time around the play. If it were, you could simply eliminate commercials (run them as the game progresses in a split screen) and put an end to manager appeals for replay. As it is, appeals to replay in many games involve more dead time than the dead time from multiple pitching changes within innings. With replay it isn't just the time that calls are being reviewed in New York. It's the time umpires allow managers to watch televised replays before deciding whether to appeal. But no one seems to care about the dead time involved in reviewing umpires' decisions.

Still, it isn't about the dead time around the game. It's about the dead time inside the game. Until baseball comes to understand that, their reactionary changes won't make a dent in the pace of the pace of the game.
Managers have 30 seconds to make a decision on whether to review a call or not.
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Old 08-27-2019, 07:27 PM
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Iím just counting that as part of the pitching change. They always will allow a pitcher to get some tosses in when he changes mounds from the bullpen to the field of play. The Playersí Union will call that a safety concern if MLB tries to disallow those warmups.

But playing in terrible weather (think Boston when TA was hurt) or into November with the WS doesn't register at all.


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I would figure that people who find baseball too slow and boring would jump for joy at ditching pitching changes, not defend them to the death.

Defend them to the death? A little over the top perhaps?
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Defend them to the death? A little over the top perhaps?
Are you suggesting a poster... at WSI... used excessive hyperbole and over the top rhetoric?!?!?!?!?

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I've had "Quick Pitch" (MLB Channel) set up on my DVR for years- I cancelled recording it over the weekend- this year's version of MLB just bores me to death- the least interested in MLB since I discovered baseball the summer of 1969.

While supported by statistics the launch angle/exit velocity/juiced ball/strike outs don't matter, etc. version of baseball is just ****ing boring to me.
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I've had "Quick Pitch" (MLB Channel) set up on my DVR for years- I cancelled recording it over the weekend- this year's version of MLB just bores me to death- the least interested in MLB since I discovered baseball the summer of 1969.

While supported by statistics the launch angle/exit velocity/juiced ball/strike outs don't matter, etc. version of baseball is just ****ing boring to me.
I wish they'd do something drastic such as counting strikeouts as 2 outs (I know this will never be done) to encourage players to put the ball in play. Walk, strikeout, homerun, repeat is painful to sit through.
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:47 PM
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I wish they'd do something drastic such as counting strikeouts as 2 outs (I know this will never be done) to encourage players to put the ball in play. Walk, strikeout, homerun, repeat is painful to sit through.
If they eliminated home runs altogether and made them ground-rule doubles, that may entice the teeny-tinies to stop trying to hit them.
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Old 09-03-2019, 07:26 PM
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I wish they'd do something drastic such as counting strikeouts as 2 outs (I know this will never be done) to encourage players to put the ball in play. Walk, strikeout, homerun, repeat is painful to sit through.
Worth a thought, since the Hot Stove League seems to be starting early this season. How 'bout 1-1/2 outs for a K? You still need 3 outs but 2 K's would end an inning.
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