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Old 09-05-2019, 02:51 PM
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Reynaldo will be a mainstay of our rotation for years to come. Games like this make me really happy about that.
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Old 09-05-2019, 02:54 PM
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Filthy stuff from Reynaldo today that was awesome to watch
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Honestly one of the most enjoyable games all year for me with Anderson, Moncade, Jimenez, Collins, and Mendick all in the starting lineup . plus another one of the guys that we will be depending on next year, Lopez, simply dealing on the mound.
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Two more hits for TA7.
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Old 09-05-2019, 03:08 PM
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Reynaldo will be a mainstay of our rotation for years to come. Games like this make me really happy about that.
Were you thinking that six days ago when Lopez lasted 2/3 of an inning giving up six hits and six earned runs?

Lopez has an ERA of 5.17 for the year, after today's game. The White Sox average 4.24 runs per game, a 5.17 ERA generally isn't going to cut it.

Lopez can dazzle on occasion, I'll admit it, but he's had a lot more clunkers than dazzlers.
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Old 09-05-2019, 03:17 PM
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Were you thinking that six days ago when Lopez lasted 2/3 of an inning giving up six hits and six earned runs?

Lopez has an ERA of 5.17 for the year, after today's game. The White Sox average 4.24 runs per game, a 5.17 ERA generally isn't going to cut it.

Lopez can dazzle on occasion, I'll admit it, but he's had a lot more clunkers than dazzlers.
Just let us enjoy this. September has been a boring month for us for years. These and Tim Anderson possibly winning the batting title are all we have going for us.
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Old 09-05-2019, 03:25 PM
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Were you thinking that six days ago when Lopez lasted 2/3 of an inning giving up six hits and six earned runs?

Lopez has an ERA of 5.17 for the year, after today's game. The White Sox average 4.24 runs per game, a 5.17 ERA generally isn't going to cut it.

Lopez can dazzle on occasion, I'll admit it, but he's had a lot more clunkers than dazzlers.
You are right on this. Days like today do give me hope he can turn things around on a consistent basis like Giolito has done this season though.
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Old 09-05-2019, 03:26 PM
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Were you thinking that six days ago when Lopez lasted 2/3 of an inning giving up six hits and six earned runs?

Lopez has an ERA of 5.17 for the year, after today's game. The White Sox average 4.24 runs per game, a 5.17 ERA generally isn't going to cut it.

Lopez can dazzle on occasion, I'll admit it, but he's had a lot more clunkers than dazzlers.
This is just factually incorrect. He has pitched at least 5.0 innings and given up 3 earned runs or fewer in 18 of his 29 starts. Plus, he will give you 30 starts and 180 innings a year. So far, only Lopez and Giolito have proven themselves capable of that. Iím willing to see if he can hold down a spot in a winning rotation.
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This is just factually incorrect. He has pitched at least 5.0 innings and given up 3 earned runs or fewer in 18 of his 29 starts. Plus, he will give you 30 starts and 180 innings a year. So far, only Lopez and Giolito have proven themselves capable of that. Iím willing to see if he can hold down a spot in a winning rotation.
Per baseball-reference, Lopez came into today's game with a 5.41 ERA. That's just a fact.

He's certainly pitched better in the second half, but you can't just write off the fact he had a 6.34 ERA in 18 starts in the first half either. He's also given up at least five runs in three of his last five starts too. So, I think it's still not clear what exactly Lopez is yet.
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This is just factually incorrect. He has pitched at least 5.0 innings and given up 3 earned runs or fewer in 18 of his 29 starts. Plus, he will give you 30 starts and 180 innings a year. So far, only Lopez and Giolito have proven themselves capable of that. Iím willing to see if he can hold down a spot in a winning rotation.
The 5.17 ERA that Lopez sports is factually incorrect? I just double-checked, and his ERA is indeed 5.17. I made no mention of "quality" starts, I said dazzlers. Pitching five innings and giving up three earned runs isn't dazzling. Are 30 starts and 180 innings pitched, despite an ERA of 5.17 good enough to make the rotation of a team that hopes to be .500 next year, and maybe .550+ the next? A 5.17 ERA might be good enough to be the #5 starter if the team starts scoring an average of 5 or more runs per game.
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The 5.17 ERA that Lopez sports is factually incorrect? I just double-checked, and his ERA is indeed 5.17. I made no mention of "quality" starts, I said dazzlers. Pitching five innings and giving up three earned runs isn't dazzling. Are 30 starts and 180 innings pitched, despite an ERA of 5.17 good enough to make the rotation of a team that hopes to be .500 next year, and maybe .550+ the next? A 5.17 ERA might be good enough to be the #5 starter if the team starts scoring an average of 5 or more runs per game.
You said ďfar more clunkers than dazzlers.Ē That is not at all true.
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So much negativity you'd think it was a Cubs forum.

Lopez has had a fine second half.


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It's fine to both consider the sum of the parts and the latest trends. Overall Lopez has not been great this season and I assume he's hovering around 1.0 bWAR after today's game. But he HAS been pretty much stellar since the ASB other than 1 or 2 games, and he's young and only in his second full year.

I doubted Lopez just like I doubted Giolito and I hope I'm wrong again.
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The 5.17 ERA that Lopez sports is factually incorrect? I just double-checked, and his ERA is indeed 5.17. I made no mention of "quality" starts, I said dazzlers. Pitching five innings and giving up three earned runs isn't dazzling. Are 30 starts and 180 innings pitched, despite an ERA of 5.17 good enough to make the rotation of a team that hopes to be .500 next year, and maybe .550+ the next? A 5.17 ERA might be good enough to be the #5 starter if the team starts scoring an average of 5 or more runs per game.
They definitely need to join that club of teams scoring north of 5 runs per game if they expect to win anything.
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:01 PM
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Lopez had a crap first half, but a pretty good second half including 2 of his last 3 starts being nothing short of dominant (sandwiched around an all-time crapper). But for a young player, IMO what's more relevant is the improvement over the season. Particularly given that there were specific things that he pointed to changing post-ASB.

If he can just be a solid #3-4, then with Cease also showing flashes (yes it's just flashes, but again, young player), and GIolito looking like a bonafide #1 or at least a top-end #2, you've got the makings of a pretty good rotation before you get to a potential offseason addition. Someone like Cole at the front makes it potentially dominant.

And that would pair with a lineup that's got similar really good young players demonstrating how good they can be in Eloy, TA, Moncada with Abreu and McCann as solid/steady vets and Collins looking like he's a much improved hitter in his albiet short stint back up. Add Robert and Madrigal and that's a potentially dominant lineup to go with the rotation.

Which is why in this current situation, I'd back the truck up for an SP even if it means I roll Leury out in RF or Cordell/Engel or someone. The lineup can take one D-first, weak bat player given the rest of the guys. Ideally add an SP and an RF but SP is far far far and away more important.
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