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Old 11-06-2017, 09:22 PM
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9 players and 1 union leader on the list for consideration. All very good but all on that border line for Hall of Fame or Hall of Very Good.

Steve Garvey, Tommy John, Don Mattingly, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker, Ted Simmons, Luis Tiant, Alan Trammell, and Marvin Miller.

For me there are three no-brainers:

Alan Trammell
Ted Simmons
Jack Morris

They get to vote for five and I would add Dave Parker and Marvin Miller. They have to show up on 12 of 16 ballots to get in.

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Old 11-06-2017, 10:46 PM
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With you on Trammell and Morris. Simmons is not a lock for me, but I'd have to go review his career in context, along with Murphy & Parker.

I hate the idea of putting Miller in the HoF...who would go to the Hall to see his plaque?
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Old 11-07-2017, 12:17 AM
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I hate the idea of putting Miller in the HoF...who would go to the Hall to see his plaque?
He just changed the game in a way that has benefited all concerned. I'd go see his plaque.

The owners had their way for 100 years...it was way past time the players got some of the pie.

Miller, John and Mattingly in my book.
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Old 11-07-2017, 12:25 AM
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When does Haaarold become eligible for consideration?
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Old 11-07-2017, 04:55 PM
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I hate the idea of putting Miller in the HoF...who would go to the Hall to see his plaque?
Every pro athlete should go and genuflect at his plaque.
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Old 11-07-2017, 07:47 PM
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Trammell and Miller.

I'd take Cey, Reggie Smith and Johnnie Baker before I'd even think of Garvey.
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Old 11-07-2017, 11:36 PM
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He just changed the game in a way that has benefited all concerned.t I'd go see his plaque.

The owners had their way for 100 years...it was way past time the players got some of the pie.
Sorry, I don't buy the premise.

Miller helped the players cash in. Good for the players, but free agency made the game worse for the fans. Players who are paid too much to be benched or released, teams of mercenaries who have no connection to their cities, stratospheric ticket prices, games on dedicated pay channels, and a dwindling fan base can all be traced back to free agency.

**** Miller. Along with the roiders, he should go in the dustbin of history.
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Old 11-07-2017, 11:51 PM
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Sorry, I don't buy the premise.

Miller helped the players cash in. Good for the players, but free agency made the game worse for the fans. Players who are paid too much to be benched or released, teams of mercenaries who have no connection to their cities, stratospheric ticket prices, games on dedicated pay channels, and a dwindling fan base can all be traced back to free agency.

**** Miller. Along with the roiders, he should go in the dustbin of history.
Baseball is breaking attendance records every season. Those numbers seem to dispute your premise. And free agency keeps MLB in the news all year long (much like the other pro sports). Again that's a positive thing.

MLB is according to Bud Selig before he left an 8 Billion dollars industry.

Something is working for them no?
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Old 11-07-2017, 11:59 PM
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Baseball is breaking attendance records every season. Those numbers seem to dispute your premise. And free agency keeps MLB in the news all year long (much like the other pro sports). Again that's a positive thing.

MLB is according to Bud Selig before he left an 8 Billion dollars industry.

Something is working for them no?
Baseball being an 8 billion dollar industry is good for the owners. What's in it for me?

There are more teams and more games...that has a lot to do with attendance records. Meanwhile, American kids are not watching and not playing. The majority of the players are now imported.
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Old 11-08-2017, 12:08 AM
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Baseball being an 8 billion dollar industry is good for the owners. What's in it for me?
What's in it for you? The same as always, even 100 years ago...you get the joy of watching your team play (and if lucky win)

I don't know what else you expect because owners and to an extent players are in it for their business, themselves and their families. Period. Always was...always will be. Long before Miller and long afterwards.

And that goes for every pro sport too.
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Old 11-08-2017, 12:20 PM
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Baseball being an 8 billion dollar industry is good for the owners. What's in it for me?

There are more teams and more games...that has a lot to do with attendance records. Meanwhile, American kids are not watching and not playing. The majority of the players are now imported.
What is it you want?
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Old 11-08-2017, 06:52 PM
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What's in it for you? The same as always, even 100 years ago...you get the joy of watching your team play (and if lucky win)

I don't know what else you expect because owners and to an extent players are in it for their business, themselves and their families. Period. Always was...always will be. Long before Miller and long afterwards.

And that goes for every pro sport too.
But the Hall of Fame is for the fans. I don't want them commemorating Miller any more than I want them commemorating Bonds or Sosa.

Yes, damaging the game is changing it, but I don't think that should be celebrated.
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Old 11-08-2017, 06:52 PM
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What is it you want?
I want the voters not to put Marvin Miller in the Hall.
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Old 11-09-2017, 01:45 AM
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I want the voters not to put Marvin Miller in the Hall.
What does that have to do with watching Baseball games? Nothing. Before you complain about high ticket prices, remember, all entertainment prices are much higher than they were were 40 years ago. Used to be, a $5.00 movie ticket was outrageous (I saw "Top Gun" more times than I can count when it was in the theaters because the tickets were $1 during its initial run). You could see an A-list rock band at Soldier Field for about $20.
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