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Old 04-09-2019, 12:49 PM
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Default How long before Don Cooper is held accountable?

I know many people have been wondering this for awhile, but so far, the rotation seems to be worse than it's been in a long time. The fact that the starters, both veterans and younger pitchers, are struggling just to get through the first inning is a concern. They say momentum is only as good as your next starting pitcher, but what momentum do you have when you're playing just to survive before some fans have even reached their seats? Sooner or later, it all comes back to the guy in charge, and all I can say is Don Cooper better prepare for life after the White Sox if the next trip through the rotation goes just as badly as this one has. Thanks for 2005, Coop, but what have you done for us lately?
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Old 04-09-2019, 12:55 PM
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For me, he's still got a lot of leash to work with. Certainly the fact that a few guys have had bad outings to start the year doesn't necessarily mean he's failing with them. Rodon had a rough outing yesterday but had two good outings before. Gio had a bad outing his last time out but absolutely killed it the time before. Lopez is off to a rough start but had a very good rookie season last year and 2 starts is not enough to make a judgment on.

This season it's WAY too early to make any assessments on his performance, IMO.

I am also less concerned about whether he can turn an old gas can on the back end of his career into a solid starter than what he has done with young pitchers and his work in that category has been excellent through the years.

If he can't get Giolito, Rodon and Lopez to perform well this season - or at least show marked signs of improvement then I think there might be reason to look at alternatives including Duncan who has been excellent in the minors by all accounts, but this season minimum belongs to Cooper, IMO.
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Old 04-09-2019, 12:59 PM
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If he can't get Giolito, Rodon and Lopez to perform well this season - or at least show marked signs of improvement then I think there might be reason to look at alternatives including Duncan who has been excellent in the minors by all accounts, but this season minimum belongs to Cooper, IMO.

I havent heard anything about Duncan except for the issues his son is having. Hes 73 and i truly doubt he would become the Sox pitching coach.
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Old 04-09-2019, 01:08 PM
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To answer the initial question:

When other teams stop drooling at the prospect of hiring him the second he leaves the White Sox.
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Old 04-09-2019, 01:19 PM
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Just saw this interesting stat on Twitter, since 2012 Sox pitchers rank: 23rd in ERA, 27th in FIP, 29th in xFIP and 21st in fWAR.

https://twitter.com/NWI_Steve/status...32670748229633

That includes years where they had Sale and Quintana in their rotations.

Maybe the problem is that they have had too many crappy pitchers on the roster during that time, which would reflect poorly on Kenny and Hahn, but it suggests the problem is bigger than just some poor starts this year.

However I don't think this organization will ever hold someone accountable.
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Old 04-09-2019, 01:45 PM
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When other teams stop drooling at the prospect of hiring him the second he leaves the White Sox.
I just have to ask what specific teams that you have heard are waiting in line to hire Cooper? He hasn’t been relevant in years.
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Old 04-09-2019, 02:13 PM
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The pitching coach isn't the problem, although it was a problem before Don Cooper was hired. And while the White Sox wouldn't rehire Nardi Contreras, firing Cooper to hold him accountable for the mess that is White Sox pitching could make the pitching coach the problem again.
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Old 04-09-2019, 05:54 PM
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Forget a new manager. The Sox need a new pitching coach. The staff is floundering under Cooper and a new voice is needed.
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:16 PM
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To what extent does Cooper use analytics? When is the last time that the Sox had playoff caliber pitching?

Cooper's results simply are not up to any reasonable standard. Neither are Hahn's*, Hostetler's, Renteria's, Haber's and whichever lifer one may list.
Whose fault is it exactly? Who knows? But it's some combination of that mix. And under no argument is that group a league-leader.

It couldn't possibly get worse by bringing in some fresh leadership.
* It's hard to pinpoint any specific actions taken by most on the list, with Hahn a clear exception.

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Old 04-09-2019, 07:01 PM
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As long as JR is owner Cooper will never be held accountable. Unfortunate fact of life. If he was, he'd be gone long time ago.
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:07 PM
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During today's radio broadcast, another 10-5 defeat, Farmer and Jackson commented that the young Sox pitchers could learn a lot from watching and imitating the likes of veterans like Santana and Nova.

I had to laugh. From what I've seen so far, what they should be learning from these two is what NOT to be doing on the mound. They have both been unimpressive, granted a small sample size since we are barely into the 2019 season.

Still waiting for Rodon to assume a leadership role on this staff and become a top-of-the-rotation starter. Lopez has a live fastball and is occasionally decent. Giolito got off to a great start in his first game, but can he maintain improvement through the season. Fulmer? This may be his last chance with the club.

Cooper continues to get a pass, but his act is wearing thin with me. Maybe it's time to look around for someone a little younger who can relate better to the young arms.
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:47 PM
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Let's see where the team is at after fifteen games.
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Old 04-09-2019, 09:47 PM
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The answer to the OP's question is "never."

Like him or not, Cooper has to be right behind KW as far as having a job for life for this organization.
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Old 04-09-2019, 11:41 PM
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The answer to the OP's question is "never."

Like him or not, Cooper has to be right behind KW as far as having a job for life for this organization.
A very sad fact of life. Ladies and gentleman, your Chicago White Sox organization.
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Old 04-10-2019, 07:54 AM
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To answer the initial question:

When other teams stop drooling at the prospect of hiring him the second he leaves the White Sox.
This is very over stated. Maybe 10 years ago this was true.
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