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Old 05-25-2019, 04:54 PM
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We definitely caught the Twins at a bad time for us. Twins showing no mercy on the Sox, 8-1 today following last night's 11-4 shellacking. If we can somehow take tomorrow's game I would call it a decent road trip against 2 tough 1st place teams.
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Old 05-25-2019, 05:37 PM
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Yeah my hope all along was 3-4. Figured if we could do that and come back 3 games under .500 it would be successful. Hopefully the bats wake up tomorrow and we start smacking the ball around. Got a little unlucky early in the game today, but that's so typical for us playing the Twinkies it seems.

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Old 05-25-2019, 06:18 PM
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..... Got a little unlucky early in the game today, but that's so typical for us playing the Twinkies it seems.
I wouldn't describe our performance as unlucky. Tilson couldn't make a routine catch in the 1st. Eloy can't figure which base to throw it to. I was so pissed. This is not the first time this team has made such blunders. They have made more than their share of fundamental mistakes in the field. Also, they have made some very poor decisions on the basepath. I have to wonder about the Sox player development.
I love Eloy but he is terrible as a left fielder. However, I don't want to move him to 1B/DH (yet). I remember Schwarber was terrible when he first played the outfield. He's not great now but serviceable. Maybe Eloy will come around but the Sox better work him like crazy in the off season.
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Old 05-25-2019, 06:48 PM
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I wouldn't describe our performance as unlucky. Tilson couldn't make a routine catch in the 1st. Eloy can't figure which base to throw it to. I was so pissed. This is not the first time this team has made such blunders. They have made more than their share of fundamental mistakes in the field. Also, they have made some very poor decisions on the basepath. I have to wonder about the Sox player development.
I love Eloy but he is terrible as a left fielder. However, I don't want to move him to 1B/DH (yet). I remember Schwarber was terrible when he first played the outfield. He's not great now but serviceable. Maybe Eloy will come around but the Sox better work him like crazy in the off season.
There are only 15 outfielders in MLB with an Outs Above Average rating worse than Schwarber.
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Old 05-25-2019, 06:49 PM
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Yeah my hope all along was 3-4. Figured if we could do that and come back 3 games under .500 it would be successful. Hopefully the bats wake up tomorrow and we start smacking the ball around. Got a little unlucky early in the game today, but that's so typical for us playing the Twinkies it seems.

Go get them tomorrow and hope for the best!
Unfortunately we only have one starting pitcher who has a era under 4. Banuelos and Covey have been absolutely horrible. Lopez has regressed and you never know what your going to get from Nova. Horrible control issues for all four with no improvement. I know Cooper can't be blamed for everything but where the hell is the improvement. As for Giolito he credits his high school teacher for a correction to his delivery.
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Old 05-25-2019, 06:59 PM
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...but where the hell is the improvement...
Exactly. I would really like to know what is being done by Cooper to get Lopez back to last year's form.
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Old 05-25-2019, 07:12 PM
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I wouldn't describe our performance as unlucky. Tilson couldn't make a routine catch in the 1st. Eloy can't figure which base to throw it to. I was so pissed. This is not the first time this team has made such blunders. They have made more than their share of fundamental mistakes in the field. Also, they have made some very poor decisions on the basepath. I have to wonder about the Sox player development.
I love Eloy but he is terrible as a left fielder. However, I don't want to move him to 1B/DH (yet). I remember Schwarber was terrible when he first played the outfield. He's not great now but serviceable. Maybe Eloy will come around but the Sox better work him like crazy in the off season.
But the two biggest plays were the Tilson miss and the perfectly placed bloop double that extended the lead to 4-1. Both of those balls were just unlucky to some degree. I get the impression the first one as slicing away from Tilson, but I agree I thought he should have caught it. Certainly it shouldn't have been as awkward and flailing as he made it.
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Old 05-25-2019, 07:29 PM
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Before this series, Josh Nelson of Sox Machine reported on their podcast that the Twins were on pace to hit 302 home runs this year.

Playing crisper defense - while something the Sox should strive to do - would not have won the game today.
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Old 05-25-2019, 07:45 PM
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Tomorrow’s pitching matchup does not look promising at all. Odorizzi has been outstanding. So of course, the Sox will probably win.😀
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Old 05-25-2019, 07:51 PM
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But the two biggest plays were the Tilson miss and the perfectly placed bloop double that extended the lead to 4-1. Both of those balls were just unlucky to some degree. I get the impression the first one as slicing away from Tilson, but I agree I thought he should have caught it. Certainly it shouldn't have been as awkward and flailing as he made it.
He’s had some very awkward looking moments in the outfield and even last year I recall him looking pretty awkward out there at times. Maybe only a few plays are clouding my memory but he looks shakey out there.
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I remember tilson as being a shaky outfielder also. Then you put jimenez in left and garcia in center. Thats a whole lot a shakin goin on.
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Old 05-25-2019, 08:35 PM
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Unfortunately we only have one starting pitcher who has a era under 4. Banuelos and Covey have been absolutely horrible. Lopez has regressed and you never know what your going to get from Nova. Horrible control issues for all four with no improvement. I know Cooper can't be blamed for everything but where the hell is the improvement. As for Giolito he credits his high school teacher for a correction to his delivery.
Ethan Katz is the assistant pitching coordinator for the Giants. Yes, he coached Giolito in HS also. I don't agree that you can disregard everything Cooper or the Sox organization has helped him with this year.

Cooper hasn't had a lot to work with. Banuelos and Covey aren't Rodon and Kopech talent-wise.
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Old 05-25-2019, 08:36 PM
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I wouldn't describe our performance as unlucky. Tilson couldn't make a routine catch in the 1st. Eloy can't figure which base to throw it to. I was so pissed. This is not the first time this team has made such blunders. They have made more than their share of fundamental mistakes in the field. Also, they have made some very poor decisions on the basepath. I have to wonder about the Sox player development.
I love Eloy but he is terrible as a left fielder. However, I don't want to move him to 1B/DH (yet). I remember Schwarber was terrible when he first played the outfield. He's not great now but serviceable. Maybe Eloy will come around but the Sox better work him like crazy in the off season.

I wish people would stop the ridiculous comparison to Kyle Schwarber. Schwarber was new to the position in the majors when he first took left field, coming from catcher. Eloy Jimenez is a veteran of left field play, having only played that position and spending the last 5+ years, 500 hundred ballgames or so, literally thousands of innings, playing baseball developing that skillset. Expecting magical improvement when five years of learning hasn't even allowed him to show even the most basic skills at that position - is just counterintuitive. But even if you wanna grasp at the hardest to possibly grasp, probably non-corporeal straw in this instance...it's still a complete misread of the situation to compare him to Kyle Schwarber, who isn't nearly as bad as Eloy.
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Old 05-25-2019, 08:55 PM
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I wish people would stop the ridiculous comparison to Kyle Schwarber. Schwarber was new to the position in the majors when he first took left field, coming from catcher. Eloy Jimenez is a veteran of left field play, having only played that position and spending the last 5+ years, 500 hundred ballgames or so, literally thousands of innings, playing baseball developing that skillset. Expecting magical improvement when five years of learning hasn't even allowed him to show even the most basic skills at that position - is just counterintuitive. But even if you wanna grasp at the hardest to possibly grasp, probably non-corporeal straw in this instance...it's still a complete misread of the situation to compare him to Kyle Schwarber, who isn't nearly as bad as Eloy.
This is a good take. Eloy's been playing baseball for years. I have difficulty grasping how a guy can look so awful by the time he makes it to the majors. However, yes, just because he's in the majors now, he's not going to magically improve in two weeks. He's had stellar coaching in the minors for a number of years too.
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I wish people would stop the ridiculous comparison to Kyle Schwarber. Schwarber was new to the position in the majors when he first took left field, coming from catcher. Eloy Jimenez is a veteran of left field play, having only played that position and spending the last 5+ years, 500 hundred ballgames or so, literally thousands of innings, playing baseball developing that skillset. Expecting magical improvement when five years of learning hasn't even allowed him to show even the most basic skills at that position - is just counterintuitive. But even if you wanna grasp at the hardest to possibly grasp, probably non-corporeal straw in this instance...it's still a complete misread of the situation to compare him to Kyle Schwarber, who isn't nearly as bad as Eloy.

Suggesting Jimenez give up playing defense altogether is a different misreading of the situation. But every time Jimenez looks bad on a play, this will pointless argument will come up regardless of the growth he has shown at the position this year. For that matter, he isn't a very good hitter right now, just someone who looks like he could be and shows occasional power.

It's a pointless argument because the Sox wouldn't have signed him to his "extension" before ever playing a major league game if he were going to be a full-time DH, and every indication is that the White Sox are not going to change their mind.
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