Sox have 2 of Jonah Keri's Worst 15 Contracts in baseball

[shes]

Buehrle only sniffs the Hall if he knocks on the door of 300 wins, which he isn't doing unless he pitches into his mid-forties. Granted, of anyone pitching right now, he has the best chance of being another Jamie Moyer given his durability, mechanics, and junkballing. I highly doubt Buehrle wants to pitch another 10 years, though.

He'll end up with around 230 wins, at least one WS ring, and a statue at the Cell. Pretty damn good for a guy that wasn't touted at all coming into the league.

[Noneck]

Originally Posted by shes

Buehrle only sniffs the Hall if he knocks on the door of 300 wins, which he isn't doing unless he pitches into his mid-forties. Granted, of anyone pitching right now, he has the best chance of being another Jamie Moyer given his durability, mechanics, and junkballing. I highly doubt Buehrle wants to pitch another 10 years, though.

He'll end up with around 230 wins, at least one WS ring, and a statue at the Cell. Pretty damn good for a guy that wasn't touted at all coming into the league.

And dont forget he will walk from the game making around 150M.

[sullythered]

I don't think Mark will make the hall of fame, but he is a pretty interesting case. While never the best pitcher in any of his years, he is, by far, the most consistently good for a kinda crazy amount of time, relative to his era. He's sort of an anomaly. I wouldn't know who to compare him to, as far as contemporary pitchers go, because none of them have sniffed his level of durability. It's really amazing. Burls has 12 straight 200+, and who's the next longest streak of the era? Livan Hernandez? And his was like 6 or 7?

[chicagowhitesox1]

I know it's a longshot for him but if he somehow gets another ring as a main contributer on another World Series team then that could increase his chances but he's still going to need at least 4 good years. If he can average 12 wins a year until he's 39 with his usual 3.0 war then I can see a very good argument for him. If that all fell into place which is very possible then he would have close to 250 wins and a war of around 70. He might not have the exciting stats of Justin Verlander, Felix Hernandez, Clayton Kershaw and David Price but odds are at least two of them will fizzle out. I think Buerhles consistency may help get him in.

I doubt Buerhle pitches much longer though so i'm sure none of this comes close to happening. I'm just hoping it does.

[chicagowhitesox1]

Originally Posted by sullythered

I don't think Mark will make the hall of fame, but he is a pretty interesting case. While never the best pitcher in any of his years, he is, by far, the most consistently good for a kinda crazy amount of time, relative to his era. He's sort of an anomaly. I wouldn't know who to compare him to, as far as contemporary pitchers go, because none of them have sniffed his level of durability. It's really amazing. Burls has 12 straight 200+, and who's the next longest streak of the era? Livan Hernandez? And his was like 6 or 7?

I hate to say it but I bet Buerhle will be remembered as a Rick Reuschel or Frank Tanana type of pitcher which shouldn't happen but probably will.

[Lip Man 1]

Nothing wrong with being compared to either of those guys, they were both pretty damn good especially Tanana before he hurt his arm.

Lip

[chicagowhitesox1]

Originally Posted by Lip Man 1

Nothing wrong with being compared to either of those guys, they were both pretty damn good especially Tanana before he hurt his arm.

Lip

Both were really good even after their arm injurys but I doubt too many will ever think of them as hofers even though they were better than at least 15 guys already in the Hall of Fame.

[mahagga73]

I'm not sure where Dunn is that bad a contract. He produces Runs and RBI's at a clip well above league average usually , at least last year. He gets paid a ton, but I don't remember many complaints when we got him . I was happy with it. Danks contract was an eyebrow raiser , I never thought he should have got that kind of money for pretty average career numbers and performance. But I have heard , for the sabermetric people , he has WAR well above average for his spot in the rotation and for a lefthanded pitcher. I didn't like that contract at all at the time and still don't. He gets paid like a top flight pitcher and he doesn't perform like one in my opinion. If he gets injured again, that contract is going to be a disaster.

[asindc]

Originally Posted by mahagga73

I'm not sure where Dunn is that bad a contract. He produces Runs and RBI's at a clip well above league average usually , at least last year. He gets paid a ton, but I don't remember many complaints when we got him . I was happy with it. Danks contract was an eyebrow raiser , I never thought he should hve got tha kind of money for pretty average career numbers and performance. But I have heard , for the sabermetric people , he has WAR well above average for his spot in the rotation and for a lefthanded pitcher. i didn't like that contract at all at the time and still don't. He gets paid like a top flight pitcher and he doesn't perform like one in my opinion. If he gets injured again, that contract is going to be a disaster.

I have an opposite viewpoint. Keri seems to include Danks in his bottom mainly based on the uncertainty that he will perform close to pre-injury levels, while Dunn's inclusion is based on a two-year decline (not in HR and RBI, of course, but in every other offensive category) at the age of 33. I think Danks will come closer to earning his salary than Dunn will, especially when you factor in defense (and why wouldn't you?).

[mahagga73]

Originally Posted by asindc

I have an opposite viewpoint. Keri seems to include Danks in his bottom mainly based on the uncertainty that he will perform close to pre-injury levels, while Dunn's inclusion is based on a two-year decline (not in HR and RBI, of course, but in every other offensive category) at the age of 33. I think Danks will come closer to earning his salary than Dunn will, especially when you factor in defense (and why wouldn't you?).

Yeah I can see that. didn't factor in age and all that for Dunn.

[SoxFanCPA]

Originally Posted by SephClone89

Honestly, it's really awesome to see Sale make the list that high, as well as MLBN lists and otherwise. God, I hope he turns out well.

I need a new jersey t-shirt to replace my Beckham one and I want to go with Sale, but I'm worried it's still too early.

It wasn't too early to get Beckham's?

[Frater Perdurabo]

As others have said, I am not that concerned about the contracts right now, given that over the next few years the big deals will come off our books.

I am more concerned that the Sox have enough talent coming through the system, both currently in the minors and young players on the roster, to replace the aging expensive veterans as they leave.

[blandman]

Originally Posted by mahagga73

I'm not sure where Dunn is that bad a contract. He produces Runs and RBI's at a clip well above league average usually , at least last year. He gets paid a ton, but I don't remember many complaints when we got him . I was happy with it. Danks contract was an eyebrow raiser , I never thought he should have got that kind of money for pretty average career numbers and performance. But I have heard , for the sabermetric people , he has WAR well above average for his spot in the rotation and for a lefthanded pitcher. I didn't like that contract at all at the time and still don't. He gets paid like a top flight pitcher and he doesn't perform like one in my opinion. If he gets injured again, that contract is going to be a disaster.

mahagga I think the point on Dunn was also that his production can be achieved/close to achieved at the DH spot by guys that can be signed to minor league deals now. Not that they don't deserve more, but execs are now spending more on players with multiple tools and paying very little to one and two dimensional sluggers.

[TDog]

Originally Posted by asindc

I have an opposite viewpoint. Keri seems to include Danks in his bottom mainly based on the uncertainty that he will perform close to pre-injury levels, while Dunn's inclusion is based on a two-year decline (not in HR and RBI, of course, but in every other offensive category) at the age of 33. I think Danks will come closer to earning his salary than Dunn will, especially when you factor in defense (and why wouldn't you?).

I think there are a lot of pitching contracts that are worse than Danks'. If you are going to go with uncertaintly of future performance, there could be a lot more. Pitching is such a fragile commodity that there are pitchers who appear to be signed to good contracts now who will be hurt in 2013 and become huge financial burdens on their team. The anti-Cubs bias here will cloud opinions, but look at how abrubtly objective baseball opinions changed in considering Mark Prior's Cubs contract.

I though Dunn's contract was one of the worst in baseball the day it was signed because I think basesball, winning baseball anyway, has been evolving away from what he brings to the game. He isn't even a very good run producer considering that in two years in the American League he has been his team's worst regular hitter with runners in scoring position. I hope that doesn't continue, but I think that will continue as long as he doesn't work on making more contact.

[BRDSR]

Originally Posted by shes

Buehrle only sniffs the Hall if he knocks on the door of 300 wins, which he isn't doing unless he pitches into his mid-forties. Granted, of anyone pitching right now, he has the best chance of being another Jamie Moyer given his durability, mechanics, and junkballing. I highly doubt Buehrle wants to pitch another 10 years, though.

He'll end up with around 230 wins, at least one WS ring, and a statue at the Cell. Pretty damn good for a guy that wasn't touted at all coming into the league.

I'm the biggest Buerhle fan around, and I agree. To make the HoF, What he lacks in dominance he needs to make up for in durability. And I believe he has indicated in the past that he doesn't intend to play as long as he might be able to. Unless he plays Moyer-type years, he probably won't have the cumulative numbers to overcome his lack of dominance.