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Old 05-16-2019, 02:27 PM
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Default The 5 best pitchers you've seen in person.

Because it's hard to compare hitters with pitchers, let's go with just the pitchers.


Koufax
Seaver
Spahn
Gibson
Jenkins

I left out a lot of great ones like Ryan, Clemens and Maddux because I never saw them in person.
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Old 05-16-2019, 02:44 PM
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Maddux
Seaver
P. Martinez
M. Rivera
Eckersly/Clemens
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Old 05-16-2019, 03:44 PM
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Bob Gibson (vs. Fergie Jenkins at a sold out Wrigley Field)
Nolan Ryan (saw his 300th win at County Stadium)
Frank Tanana (at Yankee Stadium, when he was a flamethrower, before his injury)
Vida Blue (with Oakland, dominated the White Sox at Comiskey)
Jack Morris (Comiskey Park, Hairston with a 2 run pinch HR in the 9th for the 2-1 win)
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Old 05-16-2019, 03:49 PM
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If we are going objectively by career WAR, then these are the 5 best pitchers I ever saw pitch in person:

1. Roger Clemens
2. Greg Maddux
3. Pedro Martinez
4. Tom Glavine
5. Zack Greinke

I somehow never saw Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Kevin Brown, Mike Mussina, Justin Verlander, or Roy Halladay pitch in person, despite me attending 20+ ballgames per year during these pitchers prime. All of them have higher career WAR than Zach Grienke, the 5th on my list.

Personally, Pedro Martinez impressed me more than Maddux or Clemens. He is probably the single most impressive pitcher I ever witnessed in my life. But the stats tell me I'm wrong.

FWIW, Mark Buehrle is 64th overall in career WAR for pitchers. He is ahead of such luminaries as Bret Saberhagen, Eddie Cicotte, Mordecai Brown, Mariano Rivera, Max Scherzer, Sandy Koufax, Early Wynn, Billy Pierce, etc.
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:36 PM
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Again, at the height of their powers...
* JR Richards
* Greg Maddux
* John Smoltz
* Mariano Rivera
* Pedro Martinez
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Didn't anybody see Steve Carlton when he pitched for the White Sox?
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Old 05-16-2019, 08:55 PM
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Didn't anybody see Steve Carlton when he pitched for the White Sox?
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Old 05-17-2019, 01:49 AM
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Not necessarily. I don't think you have to have seen the guy in his prime to qualify.
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Interesting thread, a lot of great responses. Iíll go with.

1- Greg Maddux
2- Tom Seaver
3- Nolan Ryan
4- Steve Carlton (w/Sox and past his prime)
5- Mickey Lolich


So many other guys I wanted to put on the list. Jenkins, Pedro, And Clemens, Sutton, Blyleven, Kaat, John, Horlen, Peters, Hoyt, Guidry, Welch, Gaylord Perry And Jim Palmer to name a few.

PS: Little Nell Iím surprised Billy Pierce or Whitey Ford werenít on your list.
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:26 PM
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Interesting thread, a lot of great responses. I’ll go with.

1- Greg Maddux
2- Tom Seaver
3- Nolan Ryan
4- Steve Carlton (w/Sox and past his prime)
5- Mickey Lolich


So many other guys I wanted to put on the list. Jenkins, Pedro, And Clemens, Sutton, Blyleven, Kaat, John, Horlen, Peters, Hoyt, Guidry, Welch, Gaylord Perry And Jim Palmer to name a few.

PS: Little Nell I’m surprised Billy Pierce or Whitey Ford weren’t on your list.
Billy and Whitey came close but no cigar. Forgot where I read the article but Ford was a bit of cheat, he would scruff up the ball with his belt buckle, saw him pitch many times on TV and a few in person and he must have been very discreet in doing it. Jim Palmer, Early Wynn, Jim Bunning and Robin Roberts were a few others that also came close in making my list.

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Forgot where I read the article but Ford was a bit of cheat, he would scruff up the ball with his belt buckle, saw him pitch many times on TV and a few in person and he must have been very discreet in doing it.
My understanding is that Yogi would cut the ball on a buckle on his mitt before throwing it back to Whitey.


He certainly wasn't the only one doing it in those days. The ball didn't get taken out of play every time it hit the dirt like today, and the pitchers wanted that ball with a scuff tossed back to them. No catcher would throw it away himself or offer it to the umpire. They'd make him ask for it.
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Billy and Whitey came close but no cigar. Forgot where I read the article but Ford was a bit of cheat, he would scruff up the ball with his belt buckle, saw him pitch many times on TV and a few in person and he must have been very discreet in doing it. Jim Palmer, Early Wynn, Jim Bunning and Robin Roberts were a few others that also came close in making my list.
I'm pretty sure that was discussed extensively in Jim Bouton's "Ball Four." Bouton and Ford were teammates.
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My understanding is that Yogi would cut the ball on a buckle on his mitt before throwing it back to Whitey.


He certainly wasn't the only one doing it in those days. The ball didn't get taken out of play every time it hit the dirt like today, and the pitchers wanted that ball with a scuff tossed back to them. No catcher would throw it away himself or offer it to the umpire. They'd make him ask for it.
I've told this story a few times here but for those who hadn't heard it.
In 1962 when I was a vendor at Comiskey, a bunch of us were sitting out in the right field stands in the first row waiting for the gates to open and Whitey and a couple of other Yankee pitchers were doing wind sprints on the warning track from the foul pole out to CF and then they would walk back. When Whitey walked by I teased him about going bald as they were without their caps on, he turns and looks up at me and says "Hey kid, **** off". Gotta love it.

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Old 05-18-2019, 11:49 AM
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In no particular order:

Sale
King Felix (before he got old and bad)
Clemens
Maddux
Randy Johnson
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Old 05-20-2019, 08:34 AM
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G. Maddux (an 87 pitch complete game)
T. Glavine
R. Johnson
M. Rivera
M. Scherzer/J. Smoltz (couldn't decide)
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