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Old 04-28-2019, 05:27 AM
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Are we watching the same player? His bat will be fine once he gets comfortable.
Yes; we're watching the same player. He absolutely has no place in the field and he needs to get comfortable at bat. EJ has to stay healthy and the White Sox have to get him ABs. I am still optimistic about his offensive abilities. So by all means make him comfortable.

The question is whether he can become comfortable by being a full-time DH as opposed to participating in the offensive and defensive part of the game.

Again, the White Sox misjudged this particular situation.
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Old 04-28-2019, 10:31 AM
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Yes; we're watching the same player. He absolutely has no place in the field and he needs to get comfortable at bat. EJ has to stay healthy and the White Sox have to get him ABs. I am still optimistic about his offensive abilities. So by all means make him comfortable.

The question is whether he can become comfortable by being a full-time DH as opposed to participating in the offensive and defensive part of the game.

Again, the White Sox misjudged this particular situation.
How so?
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Old 04-28-2019, 10:32 AM
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Yes; we're watching the same player. He absolutely has no place in the field and he needs to get comfortable at bat. EJ has to stay healthy and the White Sox have to get him ABs. I am still optimistic about his offensive abilities. So by all means make him comfortable.

The question is whether he can become comfortable by being a full-time DH as opposed to participating in the offensive and defensive part of the game.

Again, the White Sox misjudged this particular situation.
I don’t think they “misjudged” anything. I think they knew what the situation was and made a conscious decision to trivialize it in their own plans.
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Old 04-28-2019, 10:51 AM
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His current position will be the IL for at least the next 8 days. 10 day stint retroactive to Friday.
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Old 04-28-2019, 11:18 AM
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His current position will be the IL for at least the next 8 days. 10 day stint retroactive to Friday.
As expected and a good decision both for the ankle and his mental well being. I got the impression he was really emotional coming back from his bereavement leave. He even asked for the baseball after his first at bat led to a single. Let him heal and get his head right. He's still such a kid at 22.
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Old 04-28-2019, 11:26 AM
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The more I think, I wish the Sox would tell him to play the "statue" in left.
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Old 04-28-2019, 01:48 PM
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How so?
They said he was kept down to round out his game. The noise about service time appeared. The WS missed on Machado. Most fans went apoplectic.

The WS FO need to quiet animal spirits. They signed EJ to a surprise deal.

I believe they misread the need to sign EJ right away. They misread EJ's defensive abilities. Or, ignored them (see Mohoney above).
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Old 04-29-2019, 05:59 AM
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The very first time that i saw him in the field, i thought that he just seemed terribly uncoordinated and didn't seem to have very good baseball smarts . i thought that it was perhaps just jitters, but it hasn't changed at all . i suppose that he must have absolutely incredible hand-eye coordination to have impressed so many people at the plate over the last few years . Jimenez needs a mentor . the White Sox were always signing these once great, now over the hill guys . if Jimenez is really going to be the great offensive player that everyone thinks he will be, then find someone older, who was all about defense in the outfield, and that he can learn from and hang with . he is so very young and emotional.
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Old 04-29-2019, 08:55 AM
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You guys realize that young players can get better at things right? I feel we have this same argument again and again. Garland sucks, Moncada is a bust, Trade Crede he can't hit.

Jimenez is terrible in the of ...now. He may very well be destined for DH. But geez its not that hard to be serviceable in the outfield with some practice. Carlos Lee was horrible too when he first was put in the outfield. He worked hard and was at least an adequate outfielder for us. Players are not destined to be what we see in their rookie year.
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you guys realize that young players can get better at things right? I feel we have this same argument again and again. Garland sucks, moncada is a bust, trade crede he can't hit.

Jimenez is terrible in the of ...now. He may very well be destined for dh. But geez its not that hard to be serviceable in the outfield with some practice. Carlos lee was horrible too when he first was put in the outfield. He worked hard and was at least an adequate outfielder for us. Players are not destined to be what we see in their rookie year.
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Old 04-29-2019, 09:36 AM
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You guys realize that young players can get better at things right? I feel we have this same argument again and again. Garland sucks, Moncada is a bust, Trade Crede he can't hit.

Jimenez is terrible in the of ...now. He may very well be destined for DH. But geez its not that hard to be serviceable in the outfield with some practice. Carlos Lee was horrible too when he first was put in the outfield. He worked hard and was at least an adequate outfielder for us. Players are not destined to be what we see in their rookie year.
Exactly- his MLB career is currently measured in weeks- and based on the maturity of his hitting skills, I do not agree with that he should have stayed at AAA due to his defense.

I don't see 1st base as an option at all- especially considering he would be learning a new position at the major league level- I see him as a LF/DH for the first few years of his career, then moving to being almost exclusively a DH after that. Which is fine with me based on our volume of outfield prospects as well as the internal options that could emerge for 1st base (Collins, Burger, Sheets, re-signing Abreu)
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Old 04-29-2019, 10:01 AM
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Jimenez is terrible in the of ...now. He may very well be destined for DH. But geez its not that hard to be serviceable in the outfield with some practice.
First off no one said the kid is a bust.

The question is what he was doing down on the farm. Why was he not learning how to play the OF, to the best of his ability, down there?

To have him learn how to play OF at the major league level introduces all sorts of risks to the player and his teammates.

To believe learning how to play the OF is acceptable at the major league level is wrong.
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Old 04-29-2019, 10:03 AM
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I would not call Carlos Lee’s outfield play “adequate.” Even if Eloy improves to Carlos Lee’s level of outfield play, I still want him installed as the DH as soon as the opportunity presents itself.

For the future, we need Robert to make it (looking good so far) and two of Rutherford/Basabe/Adolfo/Gonzalez/Walker/“mystery candidate” to make it. None of the guys currently in the major league outfield are starting-caliber players, and I really hope the team doesn’t inexplicably fall in love with one or more of them, as they have done many times before.

Meanwhile, Hahn should be working the phones something fierce trying to trade Abreu, Alonso, or both at the deadline. If Eloy does have any difficulties transitioning to DH and not being able to play the field, it’s best to get those worked out as soon as possible.

The last thing we need is a repeat of the Magglio situation in 2004. Like many others in the thread have correctly pointed out, it’s not just about Eloy getting hurt; Moncada, Anderson, or whoever is in CF are also at risk.
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Old 04-29-2019, 10:04 AM
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First off no one said the kid is a bust.

The question is what he was doing down on the farm. Why was he not learning how to play the OF, to the best of his ability, down there?

To have him learn how to play OF at the major league level introduces all sorts of risks to the player and his teammates.

To believe learning how to play the OF is acceptable at the major league level is wrong.
I think it's more likely that Jimenez is just a very mediocre defensive player vs. this being "negligence" on the part of the White Sox.
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Old 04-29-2019, 10:24 AM
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I think it's more likely that Jimenez is just a very mediocre defensive player vs. this being "negligence" on the part of the White Sox.
Thank you.

When Eloy was acquired in 2017, people on this board were talking about his defense being subpar, possibly even unacceptable. Lots of people still seem shocked by how bad his defense is. Yes, the “hold him in AAA to work on his defense” was a service-time thing, but the only reason they could even say that with a straight face is that Eloy’s defense is horrid.
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