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Old 09-03-2010, 07:07 AM
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The White Sox don't have the ability to open up the checkbook to fill whatever holes they develop. This is why player development is critical for the White Sox. The Rays and Twins, in my opinion, are two teams that do it better than most.
You don't think the Rays have had a benefit from having MUCH higher draft picks than the Sox, ever since the Rays have existed?
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Old 09-03-2010, 07:38 AM
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You don't think the Rays have had a benefit from having MUCH higher draft picks than the Sox, ever since the Rays have existed?
The Rays' stars aren't all top five picks.
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Old 09-03-2010, 07:41 AM
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You don't think the Rays have had a benefit from having MUCH higher draft picks than the Sox, ever since the Rays have existed?
Look, the Rays still had to develop the players they drafted. Just picking someone in the top five does not automatically make him a superstar. There is still a need to scout and develop. When you're a team like how the Rays were, you need to make sure you can take full advantage of the opportunity handed to you with high picks by picking the right players.

Look at Washington for contrast. They have been a drafting disaster with the top picks. One top pick refused to sign, the next one is undergoing Tommy John today after being rushed to The Show to sell more tickets........
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Old 09-03-2010, 08:25 AM
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Look at Washington for contrast. They have been a drafting disaster with the top picks. One top pick refused to sign, the next one is undergoing Tommy John today after being rushed to The Show to sell more tickets........
1. Crow not signing was a blessing. (Edit: is anyone in Washington lamenting the fact they've got Drew Storen instead of Aaron Crow? God, I hope not.)
2. Strasburg was not rushed. What did he need to learn in the minors? They treated him very, very delicately, and he broke down. He'll probably come back and be a very good pitcher. Did they botch the pick? Uh, no. It's Strasburg. There is literally no one else in that class a reasonable ballclub would have considered with the number one pick.

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Old 09-03-2010, 10:25 AM
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1. Crow not signing was a blessing. (Edit: is anyone in Washington lamenting the fact they've got Drew Storen instead of Aaron Crow? God, I hope not.)
It's my understanding Crow wouldn't sign the consent form or Washington would've drafted him again instead of Storen.
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:02 AM
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It's my understanding Crow wouldn't sign the consent form or Washington would've drafted him again instead of Storen.
In that case, they lucked out.
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Old 09-03-2010, 03:28 PM
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Look at Washington for contrast. They have been a drafting disaster with the top picks. One top pick refused to sign, the next one is undergoing Tommy John today after being rushed to The Show to sell more tickets........
How was Strasburg rushed and how could the Nats have treated him any more delicately?
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Old 09-03-2010, 03:42 PM
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How was Strasburg rushed and how could the Nats have treated him any more delicately?
They brought him up to sell tickets. While he showed the world he was probably MLB ready (after getting scouted, teams started reducing his effectiveness), he was pushed despite the warnings about his delivery raising the possibility of injury. If he was was kept at AAA this season working on changing his delivery to be less stressful on his shoulder/arm, he probably would have lasted an entire season next year.
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Jon Rauch
Joe Borchard
Brian Anderson
Josh Fields
Rod Bolton
Mark Johnson
Scott Ruffcorn
Dan Wright
I don't understand how any of these players were "rushed", all were given a minimum of 2 full years in the minors and were all drafted out of college.

This "rush" vs. "not rushed" argument is by far the most stale on this board. It's pretty much impossible to prove either side of the argument, because there are too many cases in which players succeeded or did not succeed after long or short stints in the minors.
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Old 09-04-2010, 11:32 AM
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I don't understand how any of these players were "rushed", all were given a minimum of 2 full years in the minors and were all drafted out of college.

This "rush" vs. "not rushed" argument is by far the most stale on this board. It's pretty much impossible to prove either side of the argument, because there are too many cases in which players succeeded or did not succeed after long or short stints in the minors.
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It's a convenient excuse. Josh Fields did not fail at the minor league level because he was rushed. He failed at the minor league level because he wasn't very good, and didn't have the skillset to play in the majors.
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