Sale Officially Back in Rotation

[BainesHOF]

The storyline was more than just about Sale. It exposed the lack of communication within the organization. It also showed the chain of command to be out of whack.

[hawkjt]

Originally Posted by RockJock07

I have zero faith that he is actually healthy considering the cluster **** this whole situation was.

So now you think the organization is intentionally sabotaging the kids arm?

Geezzz...sox fans are the most paranoid in sports, it seems at times.

Their apparently was uncertainty to how much soreness for Sale was acceptable,and only the kid knows if it is normal. He thought it was not,and the Sox brass reacted to that...then after a few days he thought it was,and so they said,screw it we are getting the MRI,and it was clean,and he is back in the rotation.

Well done,Sox Brass. Listened to the pitcher,made a precautionary move in his best interest,and when the kid changed his story, they took another precautionary step with the MRI,and it was clean,and everybodys happy again.

Sure, keeping the whole episode quiet would have looked better,but guess what? Sox fans would have noticed the Sale was not in the rotation and would have experienced the same angst and consternation as they did anyway..so whats the difference?

In the end,all that matter is that Sale's MRI was clean,and he is back in the rotation,which really solidifies it as now we have Peavy,Danks,Gavin and Sale all going well. Now about Humber.....get it going Phillip!

[kufram]

Originally Posted by kevingrt

Well this organization needs to learn how to communicate to the media and thus it's fans because the TMZ/sports radio part of sports is not going away anytime soon. Learn how to communicate what you want from all parties involved or do not let all parties speak. The gossip part of sports is not going away so the White Sox as an organization are going to have to learn how to deal with it.

Sports gossip radio isn't going away soon. You are correct. But it also isn't going to actually matter any time soon either. I don't give a whit what the newspapers and the radio stations "talk" about. I'd be quite happy if the Sox coaching staff gave them nothing at all.

Do the talking on the field.

So what if there was a miscommunication? So what if a first year manager and his pitching coach had a blip? I don't care what columnists and "personalities" report. Sale sorted it with Kenny. Kenny sorted it with the staff. The end.

My only concern is if Sale were to really injure himself.

[kevingrt]

Originally Posted by kufram

Sports gossip radio isn't going away soon. You are correct. But it also isn't going to actually matter any time soon either. I don't give a whit what the newspapers and the radio stations "talk" about. I'd be quite happy if the Sox coaching staff gave them nothing at all.

Do the talking on the field.

So what if there was a miscommunication? So what if a first year manager and his pitching coach had a blip? I don't care what columnists and "personalities" report. Sale sorted it with Kenny. Kenny sorted it with the staff. The end.

My only concern is if Sale were to really injure himself.

Completely agree with you on one circumstance. I would rather have them say nothing at all too. But don't have three people talking about three different things and then come off as total idiots in the whole process. Go the Belichick way and have on only one person (Belichick) say absolutely nothing to the media in every situation. I have no problem with that at all. It's just this past week this organization has come off as misguided. Say nothing and move on that is better.

But didn't fans get all up in arms, and didn't the last GM/manager completely fall through due to lack of communication and lack of guidance?

And truly if all three of them spoke the same words throughout this past week this would still be one bizarre scenario. I'd like to hear of another first year starting pitcher go through a month of the season starting. Then he says he has some arm soreness. Then the team moves him into the bullpen for what amounts to two games of availability. This whole time the pitcher is complaining about being moved back to the bullpen. Then they say lets get an MRI. Comes back clean. Wallah, he's back in the starting rotation. Bizarre events.

[mark1529]

Originally Posted by kevingrt

still don't understand why the four of them (herm, coop, robin, and kw) cannot talk this over and come to a joint decision? Why not skip a start and say:

"sale is experiencing some unusual soreness so we are going to get him an mri. He is not injured but this is his first full season as a mlb starter so we are taking the necessary precautions for his long-term health."

wouldn't that have worked? Wouldn't us sox fans be satisfied? Why throw him in the pen for two days? I am so, so confused.

+1

[kufram]

Originally Posted by kevingrt

Completely agree with you on one circumstance. I would rather have them say nothing at all too. But don't have three people talking about three different things and then come off as total idiots in the whole process. Go the Belichick way and have on only one person (Belichick) say absolutely nothing to the media in every situation. I have no problem with that at all. It's just this past week this organization has come off as misguided. Say nothing and move on that is better.

But didn't fans get all up in arms, and didn't the last GM/manager completely fall through due to lack of communication and lack of guidance?

And truly if all three of them spoke the same words throughout this past week this would still be one bizarre scenario. I'd like to hear of another first year starting pitcher go through a month of the season starting. Then he says he has some arm soreness. Then the team moves him into the bullpen for what amounts to two games of availability. This whole time the pitcher is complaining about being moved back to the bullpen. Then they say lets get an MRI. Comes back clean. Wallah, he's back in the starting rotation. Bizarre events.

I don't disagree with what you say.... I just don't care. Just because they come off looking like idiots in the media doesn't make them idiots. It doesn't actually matter that 3 guys said different things to the media. It only matters to people who care about what is said in the media. I don't. I only care that they are looking after the player. Looks to me like they are. Their track record in this regard speaks for itself.

I'm not so sure that Ozzie/Kenny didn't fall out because of too much communication... especially in the media. I'm tempted to teal that because I don't know what circumstances accumulated to lead to the problem, but I don't think it was simple or easy to explain.

[Frater Perdurabo]

I also don't care what the media says. I only care about what happens on the field. And I cannot fault Robin and Coop for wanting to protect Sale.

Originally Posted by kufram

I'm not so sure that Ozzie/Kenny didn't fall out because of too much communication... especially in the media. I'm tempted to teal that because I don't know what circumstances accumulated to lead to the problem, but I don't think it was simple or easy to explain.

Ozzie wasn't done in by poor, or too little, or too much, communication between he and KW and/or the media. Ozzie failed to make the playoffs for three straight years. He deserved to be fired on that basis alone. Instead, he whined about wanting an extension. Then he said it wasn't about years, but money, because he only cared about money. All while his team went into a tailspin after having spent most of the year within striking distance of the division lead. Then he talked to the Marlins, accused Sox fans of pissing on statues, and finally asked to be released from his contract before the season was over just so he could join the Marlins for a press conference. He should have been fired, but he QUIT.

[Lip Man 1]

Frater:

Correct on all points.

Lip

[A. Cavatica]

Originally Posted by Frontman

No joke. Hard to believe that Ozzie gains a bit of credibility now.

"Any team that would hire me is a poorly run organization."

[SCCWS]

Originally Posted by Frater Perdurabo

Ozzie failed to make the playoffs for three straight years. He deserved to be fired on that basis alone. .

I don't disagree but I assume you feel Robin also has a 3 year window to make the playoffs.

[kevingrt]

Originally Posted by Frater Perdurabo

Ozzie wasn't done in by poor, or too little, or too much, communication between he and KW and/or the media. Ozzie failed to make the playoffs for three straight years. He deserved to be fired on that basis alone. Instead, he whined about wanting an extension. Then he said it wasn't about years, but money, because he only cared about money. All while his team went into a tailspin after having spent most of the year within striking distance of the division lead. Then he talked to the Marlins, accused Sox fans of pissing on statues, and finally asked to be released from his contract before the season was over just so he could join the Marlins for a press conference. He should have been fired, but he QUIT.

For another thread at another time but... why does KW get more time then anyone else?

And many of you guys are right this organization's track record of success with maintaining pitchers' health is extraordinary. Between trading pitchers right before they blow out their arms or just keeping pitchers off the DL it is pretty astounding. However, who is the last #1-#3 starter to come from this farm organization and stay in the organization for 6+ years?

[pudge]

Originally Posted by DirtySox

Scot Gregor ‏ @scotgregor
Sale on talking his way back to rotation: "The way that meeting went down today was awesome"

Scot Gregor ‏ @scotgregor
Sale: " I just felt it was time to stand up for what I believed in."

Great, so the player talked himself back into the rotation? That always ends well. Chris Sale = next Mark Prior or Kerry Wood.

[Frater Perdurabo]

Originally Posted by SCCWS

I don't disagree but I assume you feel Robin also has a 3 year window to make the playoffs.

I think that is fair as a general principle, but it also depends on a few other factors. If the Sox trade their productive core veterans (Paulie, Peavy, AJ, Dunn, Floyd, Danks, etc.) and go "all in" with a long-term rebuilding effort and youth movement, then the manager deserves much less blame for the losing.

[gobears1987]

Originally Posted by Frontman

That's really my concern here now. Kenny put his foot down, and if Sale goes out there and blows out his arm. Who's going to take the heat then?

I'll just fire the manager and bring in another guy with 0 experience.

[asindc]

Originally Posted by pudge

Great, so the player talked himself back into the rotation? That always ends well. Chris Sale = next Mark Prior or Kerry Wood.

I think the MRI had something to do with it. Just a hunch.