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Old 04-15-2013, 01:42 AM
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Viciedo 0 BB/13 SO
Dunn 2 BB/15 SO
Flowers 2 BB/15 SO
De Aza 2 BB/11 SO

Combined 6 BB/54 SO

That is 4/9 of our lineup. I understand they are all slumping right now so the numbers are a little skewed, but it's scary they all have the ability to be this bad and it happens to all four at the same exact time.

Gillaspie, Konerko, Rios, and Keppinger are all going to have to hit at least .300 for this offense to be formidable.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:52 AM
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1) Batting Dunn in the cleanup spot is just crazy. I realize the White Sox are stuck with him through 2014, but he has no business batting 4th on this team. Move him down in the lineup somewhere.
2) The Tank isn't hitting his weight. If this continues with this lack of hitting, demote him to the Minors and bring up Mitchell or some other outfielder.
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:50 AM
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Sox have drawn the fewest walks in the majors to this point of the season.

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Old 04-15-2013, 12:08 PM
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Sox have drawn the fewest walks in the majors to this point of the season.

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Fire Greg Walker.
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Old 04-15-2013, 12:14 PM
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All of those numbers were foreseeable. I don't expect them to get much better
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Old 04-15-2013, 01:14 PM
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Yeah, for the past couple of years there isn't anyone on this team that really gets on base regularly.
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Old 04-15-2013, 01:26 PM
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Sox have drawn the fewest walks in the majors to this point of the season.

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I saw a few tweets yesterday that said Joey Votto has more walks (18) than the White Sox (15). Pathetic.

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All of those numbers were foreseeable. I don't expect them to get much better
Exactly. We all knew that Viciedo, Dunn and Flowers were going to strike out in bunches and barely draw walks. This is what happens when your organization wants sluggers and not hitters.
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Old 04-15-2013, 03:42 PM
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Part of it has been the pitching they have faced. I believe De Aza and Dunn aren't walking because pitchers are throwing strikes to them and working not to walk them. Dunn may be getting challenged more because he has Konerko hitting behind him and Konerko is a more feared hitter. Protecting a hitter in your lineup with a strong hitter behind him means you don't want pitchers to pitch around him. You want pitchers to give him pitches he can hit. If Dunn were batting eighth, he would be walking more. Dunn, in a strange way, still provides protection for Rios that keeps pitchers pitching to him because pitchers would rather face Dunn without Rios on base.

With Flowers and Viciedo, pitchers don't seem to need to throw strikes to get them to strike out. Both need more plate discipline.

I expected more from Viciedo, but if he doesn't improve, he may be replaced. Flowers really can't be replaced with an upgrade, short of a deal I don't see coming down. Dunn won't be replaced, although he should be. De Aza is a good leadoff man and centerfielder. If he gets hot offensively, pitchers will give him less to hit and he will walk more.

The lack of hitting is more of a concern than the lack of walking, but the two elements are intertwined.
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Old 04-15-2013, 05:30 PM
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I saw a few tweets yesterday that said Joey Votto has more walks (18) than the White Sox (15). Pathetic.


Exactly. We all knew that Viciedo, Dunn and Flowers were going to strike out in bunches and barely draw walks. This is what happens when your organization wants sluggers and not hitters.
Dunn and Flowers are supposed to "barely draw walks?" Did I read that right? ***?
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:00 PM
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2) The Tank isn't hitting his weight. If this continues with this lack of hitting, demote him to the Minors and bring up Mitchell or some other outfielder.
Does anyone else think the Tank nickname should be dropped for the time being? If Viciedo doesn't start hitting, I'm going to start calling Blank. The Tank was actually Frank's nickname until the night that Robin hit the walk-off grandslam against Gossage. That was the game in which Hawk dubbed him the Big Hurt, and the moniker stuck.

In all seriousness, I don't know if sending Viciedo back to Charlotte will solve anything. Remember, he's already been there, and whatever he may have learned while playing at Triple-A, it wasn't enough to fix the holes in his swing, or improve his mental approach to hitting. Who's the hitting instructor in Charlotte now? Is it someone who knows Viciedo and can help him refine his outlook at the plate? If not, it's probably best to keep him in Chicago, in spite of how poorly he's played. He's not going to help the team by playing elsewhere, and the Sox have no one to replace him.
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:42 PM
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Dunn and Flowers are supposed to "barely draw walks?" Did I read that right? ***?
Flowers isn't likely to draw many walks. Dunn will likely walk half as often as he strikes out.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:02 PM
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Dunn and Flowers are supposed to "barely draw walks?" Did I read that right? ***?
Should I edit it to say Flowers and Viciedo will barely draw walks?
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:17 PM
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Should I edit it to say Flowers and Viciedo will barely draw walks?
Considering Dunn leads the league in walks for like, the last decade and Flowers was an OBP machine in the minors, you might want to reconsider.

Also, yeah, let's send Viciedo down after 2 weeks. Some of these posts are ridiculous.
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:27 PM
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Considering Dunn leads the league in walks for like, the last decade and Flowers was an OBP machine in the minors, you might want to reconsider.

Also, yeah, let's send Viciedo down after 2 weeks. Some of these posts are ridiculous.
Flowers certainly doesn't appear to be an OBP machine in the majors so far.
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:44 PM
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I hope that most people are realizing not that Viciedo and Flowers won't hit for average or draw walks, but instead that players that don't hit for average or draw walks have no place in a major league lineup because they are black holes.
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