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Old 05-24-2013, 09:30 AM
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Some choose to simply see his age and disregard him as a player, when there may be a little more to the story.
Yeah, but that's not what "turn the other cheek" means.
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Old 05-25-2013, 05:00 PM
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any time you see someone dominating a minor league level who is over age for that level you have to wonder if it's primarily the player's still level or age...
I would think that would be more of a concern at the lower levels than it is at AAA. The only higher level is the majors, and there's no expected age at that level. Either you can hit major league pitching or you can't, doesn't matter if you're twenty or thirty five. And there's only one way to find out. Besides, he's a catcher, they usually develop more slowly anyway.
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I would think that would be more of a concern at the lower levels than it is at AAA. The only higher level is the majors, and there's no expected age at that level. Either you can hit major league pitching or you can't, doesn't matter if you're twenty or thirty five. And there's only one way to find out. Besides, he's a catcher, they usually develop more slowly anyway.
That's true, but the flip to that coin is that AAA is populated by a lot of MLB burnouts and never-will-be's. These are guys who are the prototypical AAAA players; not necessarily good enough to be in the Majors, but still valuable to teams for organizational depth.
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Old 05-25-2013, 07:08 PM
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Age is still the #1 most important stat when you're looking at minor league players, though. And I'll admit that Phegley's health makes him a special case, however, any time you see someone dominating a minor league level who is over age for that level you have to wonder if it's primarily the player's still level or age... Only one translates well the next step up the ladder.
I really wouldn't call 25 "over age". AAA is full of guys in their mid 20's who are waiting patiently for their first shot.
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Old 05-25-2013, 07:25 PM
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I really wouldn't call 25 "over age". AAA is full of guys in their mid 20's who are waiting patiently for their first shot.
Connor Gillaspie is 25 and getting his first shot right now as we speak and doing pretty damn well, so this is correct.
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We might see Phegley sooner than expected. Flowers is having back spasms.

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I really wouldn't call 25 "over age". AAA is full of guys in their mid 20's who are waiting patiently for their first shot.
Those guys usually don't turn out to be solid MLB players, though, they're the kind of AAAA-type, organizational depth players you find in AAA.

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Connor Gillaspie is 25 and getting his first shot right now as we speak and doing pretty damn well, so this is correct.
That's true, though part of his problem was that he was blocked in the Giants organization. It's not that I don't think Phegley can play at this level, it's just that people need to have a tempered expectation of what he can do here. If he can hit the Mendoza line and not have a passed ball every god damn game, that would be enough to be considered successful.
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It's not that I don't think Phegley can play at this level, it's just that people need to have a tempered expectation of what he can do here. If he can hit the Mendoza line and not have a passed ball every god damn game, that would be enough to be considered successful.
LOL, those are some "tempered" expectations.
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Old 05-27-2013, 12:21 PM
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LOL, those are some "tempered" expectations.
I think we can all agree one thing Phegley has going for him at this point is a pretty low bar to pass over.
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