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Old 05-29-2013, 10:27 AM
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I called the post game show last night and pointed out that Phegley is hitting over .300 in the Minor Leagues. Flowers isn't hitting his weight here in Chicago. I asked why not bring him up now? Rongey said the White Sox didn't want to bring up a catcher at this time because the pitchers are familar with and like the catchers the White Sox have now. All I know is that this year the White Sox have 5 guys who are not hitting.( Dunn, Konerko, Flowers, DeAza and Keppinger) There are too many outs in this lineup and this 2013 season is going down the tubes because of it. You have a guy at Triple AAA who is hitting the daylights out of the ball. You simply bring him up. The only thing I can figure is that the White Sox organization don't have a high opinion of Phegley. This offense is so bad that when the team is losing by a couple of runs you get the impression that the team won't come back and win the game.
Or, maybe they understand that this team isn't going to out-slug anyone and keeping the battery intact is more important for the staff than the offense from the catcher. Flowers deserves a ton if blame, but the lack of production from the middle if the order is a bigger concern. Maybe they should call Phegley up and have him DH.
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I'm not counting this homerun or his 3 RBI from today's game because of the game situation. I'm not counting his pinch hit solo homerun in a blowout win in Colorado. In my book, Crede has 2 less home runs than his statistics show, 4 less RBI, and one less walk (the one where he pinch hit for Uribe after coming in with a 3-0 count and taking one pitch).
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:38 AM
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Black Hole #1- Adam Dunn (should be platooned with Keppinger when Beckham is back, worst FA signing in MLB history, there really isn't any hope as long as we have a .156 hitting DH/clean up hitter, now .180 in 2+ seasons with the White Sox)

Black Hole #2- De Aza, a 4th or 5th OF at best (zero OF depth in the organization- as evidenced by Wells as Wise being on the major league roster), still haven't had a lead off man since Pods left.

For position players- we have an old and mediocre roster at the major league level and very little talent coming in the minors.

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Old 05-29-2013, 10:47 AM
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Black Hole #1- Adam Dunn (should be platooned with Keppinger when Beckham is back, worst FA signing in MLB history, there really isn't any hope as long as we have a .156 hitting DH/clean up hitter, now .180 in 2+ seasons with the White Sox)

Black Hole #2- De Aza, a 4th or 5th OF at best (zero OF depth in the organization- as evidenced by Wells as Wise being on the major league roster), still haven't had a lead off man since Pods left.

For position players- we have an old and mediocre roster at the major league level and very little talent coming in the minors.

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Seriously, the future is bleak on this side of town. Thinking of convincing the rest of my STH group to cancel after this season. It's not like there's a wait list (unlike *every* other team in town).
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:57 AM
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Seriously, the future is bleak on this side of town. Thinking of convincing the rest of my STH group to cancel after this season. It's not like there's a wait list (unlike *every* other team in town).
I don't mean to rain on the melodrama, but when you have 4 or 5 quality starters under 30, it's really not all that bleak. That doesn't include a real solid number 2 that's 31 and locked up to a team friendly deal. We aren't a good team, but it's not the end of the world.
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:01 AM
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I don't mean to rain on the melodrama, but when you have 4 or 5 quality starters under 30, it's really not all that bleak. That doesn't include a real solid number 2 that's 31 and locked up to a team friendly deal. We aren't a good team, but it's not the end of the world.
Yeah, and even as absolutely dreadful as the Sox have looked this year, they're still basically right in the middle of the MLB (#17 of 30) in terms of winning percentage.

No one is arguing the team's very good this year, but some of the doom and gloom around here is a little over the top dramatic. But to each their own.
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:04 AM
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I don't mean to rain on the melodrama, but when you have 4 or 5 quality starters under 30, it's really not all that bleak.
I wouldnt put Axlerod and I have to see a lot more of Danks to put him in that category. Quintana is young, has pitched well but can he be considered a quality starter for years to come? I dont know.
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Maybe we could give Rick Hahn a year or so in the job to find a few more serviceable players like Gillaspie before declaring the franchise a total disaster.
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:11 AM
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I don't mean to rain on the melodrama, but when you have 4 or 5 quality starters under 30, it's really not all that bleak. That doesn't include a real solid number 2 that's 31 and locked up to a team friendly deal. We aren't a good team, but it's not the end of the world.
Then they'll have to shell out money on actual good FAs for the offense, as there's nothing in the minors. Do you have faith in them to do that? Mine is low-but-hopeful.
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:12 AM
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No one is arguing the team's very good this year, but some of the doom and gloom around here is a little over the top dramatic. But to each their own.
Gloom, I say!
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Maybe we could give Rick Hahn a year or so in the job to find a few more serviceable players like Gillaspie before declaring the franchise a total disaster.
It's not a disaster - it's just a middling franchise, as it has been for a while - with seemingly little direction.

And we need more than serviceable guys - we need offensive forces.
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:21 AM
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Sun Times looks at the question of 'what can Hahn do?' given the situation with the organization:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/20399...necessity.html

Also just wondering if anyone knows the answer to this. Don't even know if MLB keeps track of such things but Dunn, De Aza and Flowers are all on pace to strike out at least 150 times each this season.

Has a team ever had three 'starters' do that in a single season?

Regarding Jones and De Aza, I agree...who the hell else can they replace them with? That's a sad situation.

Still think Jones is going to be a good pitcher for the Sox in time but right now how are you going to keep using him when he's getting hit so hard you are either losing the game out-right or having your chances to come back and win it dramatically reduced.

I suspect a lack of depth is also the reason they've hung on to Heath, Veal and Omagrosso. All of them should have been waived a long time ago but haven't been. That's not sad...that's scary.

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Old 05-29-2013, 11:23 AM
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And we need more than serviceable guys - we need offensive forces.

And how do they get those offensive forces? Up coming FA's dont look like much, future FA's will probably be even worse with teams locking players up early, nothing coming up through the minors and no chips to get top level prospects. I hate to say disaster but a bleak situation it sure seems to be.
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:25 AM
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Still think Jones is going to be a good pitcher for the Sox in time but right now how are you going to keep using him when he's getting hit so hard you are either losing the game out-right or having your chances to come back and wit it dramatically reduced.

I suspect a lack of depth is also the reason they've hung on to Heath, Veal and Omagrosso. All of them should have been waived a long time ago but haven't been. That's not sad...that's scary.
I don't know, all three of those guys have flashed as much potential as Jones has, find me a team that doesn't have a couple questionable arms in their bullpen.
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:31 AM
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And how do they get those offensive forces? Up coming FA's dont look like much, future FA's will probably be even worse with teams locking players up early, nothing coming up through the minors and no chips to get top level prospects. I hate to say disaster but a bleak situation it sure seems to be.
Exactly. You either trade assets to get 2014 assets, or you blow it up a bit and trade assets for 2015/beyond assets, because the minors have practically no one of value.
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:34 AM
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I don't know, all three of those guys have flashed as much potential as Jones has, find me a team that doesn't have a couple questionable arms in their bullpen.
At the backend, yes. Jones is used a lot.

Also, for the most part, Cincinnati, and, most definitely, Atlanta, just off the top of my head.
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