*Official* 6-11 Flowers Flubs; Bullpen Blows; TOR 7 SOX 5 Postgamer

[LoveYourSuit]

Originally Posted by BainesHOF

Why was Beckham in the lineup tonight? He forgot how many outs there were last night in committing one of his baserunning blunders. Nobody is ever held accountable.

More nonsense from Ramirez.

More clown catching from Flowers.

"This is hard to watch," Hawk said.

Rick Hahn is choking big-time.

If you have Hawk talking negative and turning on the Sox, Reinsdorf needs to be getting a bit uncomfortable.

Hawk has been the company mouthpiece for JR for a very long time.

[slavko]

Originally Posted by BainesHOF

Why was Beckham in the lineup tonight? He forgot how many outs there were last night in committing one of his baserunning blunders. Nobody is ever held accountable.

More nonsense from Ramirez.

More clown catching from Flowers.

"This is hard to watch," Hawk said.

Rick Hahn is choking big-time.

Who called for a slider to Bautista when high heat would have ended the game? (see above) Dunn had the right idea when he grounded out to end the game. If he hits a ground ball down the line, two runs score and you have a tie game.

Yo soy muy Troncoso. (If it's not a word, it oughta be.)

[mahagga73]

Originally Posted by shingo10

Bases loaded, nobody out, and we can't get one single run.

Then add on all the crap mental mistakes/defensive errors and we got exactly what we deserved.

Alexei has that Carlos Lee syndrome. He is definitely talented but there is something there that just doesn't quite click. Unfortunately we don't have any better options. Maybe Anderson someday. Until then its just spinning our wheels.

I would assume , and drafting a SS verifies it, the Sox would love to be rid of him ASAP.

[Brian26]

Lead run on third and Flowers is trying to backhand a ball in the dirt? Meanwhile, the super secret reason AJ was supposedly let go was because he didnt want to call breaking balls in the dirt because he couldnt get to them. Who is zooming who? Brutal.

[StillMissOzzie]

Bases loaded with nobody out and can't even get a sac fly.

Too many errors, too much Flowers.

Damn it, this team gets harder to watch every day.

SMO

[Noneck]

Originally Posted by mahagga73

I would assume , and drafting a SS verifies it, the Sox would love to be rid of him ASAP.

The way hes been playing will make him a tough dump at about 23M for the next 2 1/2 years.

[Soxman219]

Bring up Josh Phegley, I'm sick of seeing Flowers **** up.

[JB98]

I can't be pissed at Addison Reed. He's still 19 for 21 in saves. He didn't blow the game by walking guys or anything stupid like that. A good hitter took him deep. **** happens.

What I don't like is the asinine baserunning. Every time I look up, the Sox are making another out on the basepaths. That's embarrassing. It should have been more than a one-run lead going into the ninth.

[doublem23]

Originally Posted by mahagga73

I would assume , and drafting a SS verifies it, the Sox would love to be rid of him ASAP.

They drafted a 19-year-old, VERY raw SS who may not even stay at SS professionally. Anderson is at least 2-3, probably 3-4, years away from the Majors.

[RCWHITESOX]

I just can't understand why Ventura puts up with this crap. Ramirez continually makes mental mistakes in the field and on the basepath. Flowers has been as bad in the field as he has been at bat. Viciedo has regressed both in the field and at bat. I wish they would move De Aza to left field and trade Viciedo or send him to the minors along with Flowers. Try and trade Ramirez and maybe move one of their pitchers to the Angels for P Bourjos and H Conger. That alone would make a huge difference.

[thomas35forever]

Didn't see any of this game, but from all accounts, it's probably a good thing.

[socko82]

Originally Posted by Frater Perdurabo

Who was the last Sox catcher to be this poor defensively?

Wayne Nordhagen? But he was a converted outfielder. Flowers is the worst catcher in the league. If for whatever reason they don't want to bring Phegley up, find a veteran bum sitting on somebody's bench. Some one who can just be a bridge, split time with Jiminez and is not going to try to backhand every ball in the dirt. Flowers is not a major league catcher offensively or defensively.

[cards press box]

Originally Posted by WhiteSox5187

Tyler Flowers is not good.

Can't catch. Can't hit. Am I missing anything?

Originally Posted by Soxman219

Bring up Josh Phegley, I'm sick of seeing Flowers **** up.

For the long term good of the franchise, the Sox really should do this. The 2014 free agent class will have some good catchers. But to make an informed decision on whom to sign, the Sox need to know what they have in Josh Phegley. It's time to bring him to Chicago to play in the majors.

Originally Posted by mahagga73

I would assume , and drafting a SS verifies it, the Sox would love to be rid of him ASAP.

It wouldn't really surprise me to see the Sox deal Alexei Ramirez at the trade deadline. He would bring value back and, as you say, they might want to go in another direction.

[cards press box]

Originally Posted by doublem23

They drafted a 19-year-old, VERY raw SS who may not even stay at SS professionally. Anderson is at least 2-3, probably 3-4, years away from the Majors.

Obviously, if the Sox dealt Alexei, Anderson would be a solution down the line, assuming that he stayed at SS. Who would play SS in the interim? Maybe Carlos Sanchez and maybe someone not currently on the 40 man roster.

[doublem23]

Originally Posted by cards press box

Obviously, if the Sox dealt Alexei, Anderson would be a solution down the line, assuming that he stayed at SS. Who would play SS in the interim? Maybe Carlos Sanchez and maybe someone not currently on the 40 man roster.

I'm not sure Sanchez is viewed as a legitimate option at SS (I have never seen him play, just basing that opinion on scouting reports I read). I honestly don't think there is a real SS option on this team for Alexei, it would have to come from outside the organization.