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Old 07-10-2013, 10:37 AM
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After a game like that, why can't the Sox win more games? I know they play 162 games, and eventually they will put together a good game but this team has talent and has been playing horribly. I'm losing faith that Robin Ventura is the right manager for the White Sox.
Every bad team occasionally blasts a good pitcher. Nothing to really get excited about.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:05 AM
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:31 AM
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Every bad team occasionally blasts a good pitcher. Nothing to really get excited about.
Verlander's also been pitching at a much more mortal level this year.
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Always fun to see the Sox beat these guys, especially vs. Verlander.

Hopefully last night increased Rios' and Viciedo's trade value.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:29 PM
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I get a kick out of some of the lazy media coverage right now. Rios goes 6-for-6, so his "trade value goes up." So, if he goes 0-for-5 tonight, does that mean his trade value goes back down?

That's just ridiculous. Rios has been in the league for 10 years. People's opinions of him aren't going to fluctuate *that* much on the basis of one game.
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I get a kick out of some of the lazy media coverage right now. Rios goes 6-for-6, so his "trade value goes up." So, if he goes 0-for-5 tonight, does that mean his trade value goes back down?

That's just ridiculous. Rios has been in the league for 10 years. People's opinions of him aren't going to fluctuate *that* much on the basis of one game.
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I get a kick out of some of the lazy media coverage right now. Rios goes 6-for-6, so his "trade value goes up." So, if he goes 0-for-5 tonight, does that mean his trade value goes back down?

That's just ridiculous. Rios has been in the league for 10 years. People's opinions of him aren't going to fluctuate *that* much on the basis of one game.
They shouldn't, but I suspect some do, if for no other reason it is a lazy way to justify a decision.
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I get a kick out of some of the lazy media coverage right now. Rios goes 6-for-6, so his "trade value goes up." So, if he goes 0-for-5 tonight, does that mean his trade value goes back down?

That's just ridiculous. Rios has been in the league for 10 years. People's opinions of him aren't going to fluctuate *that* much on the basis of one game.
Opinions fluctuate on him because he fluctuates so much. He's had good years and bad years. Currently, he's mired in a 6 week slump, so, indeed 6-6 helps a lot, especially if he backs it up and pulls out of the slump. Nobody will pay much for a slumping Rios.
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Opinions fluctuate on him because he fluctuates so much. He's had good years and bad years. Currently, he's mired in a 6 week slump, so, indeed 6-6 helps a lot, especially if he backs it up and pulls out of the slump. Nobody will pay much for a slumping Rios.
And you're basing any of this on what, exactly? Your conversations with baseball executives across the league?
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:57 PM
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I get a kick out of some of the lazy media coverage right now. Rios goes 6-for-6, so his "trade value goes up." So, if he goes 0-for-5 tonight, does that mean his trade value goes back down?

That's just ridiculous. Rios has been in the league for 10 years. People's opinions of him aren't going to fluctuate *that* much on the basis of one game.
Agreed. The media was doing the same thing after the Cubs won on Monday. I can't tell you how many times I heard "Garza increased his trade value" with his quality start against a woeful Sox lineup.
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Agreed. The media was doing the same thing after the Cubs won on Monday. I can't tell you how many times I heard "Garza increased his trade value" with his quality start against a woeful Sox lineup.
Garza's value does increase with each start if for no other reason than it proves his arm is finally healthy. It's not that he's lighting the world on fire by beating up on the American League's saddest offense, it's that people can see he had some pretty good stuff on the mound again and every time he does that it makes his recent injury troubles look more and more in the mirror.

A guy with no physical concerns like Rios, it most certainly doesn't matter what he does on a day-to-day basis. People know what they are buying with him.
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Old 07-10-2013, 02:19 PM
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Fun game.

With zero pressure, the Sox probably play the Tigers loose,and win more than last year.

I think Rios's nite can help get him traded for more....if he goes 0 of 5 instead of 6 for 6, what is his average? Probably around .260 vs .281...that makes a difference when you are bargaining with teams who need a high average hitter.

Trade Dunn, Rios,Peavy,Thornton and Crain, ASAP!.

Plug Tank into first base,and find another outfielder or two to plug the holes. Bring up Eric Johnson to start for Peavy.
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Old 07-10-2013, 02:24 PM
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Opinions fluctuate on him because he fluctuates so much. He's had good years and bad years. Currently, he's mired in a 6 week slump, so, indeed 6-6 helps a lot, especially if he backs it up and pulls out of the slump. Nobody will pay much for a slumping Rios.
Your opinion may fluctuate on him, but a scout's opinion won't.

A scout might say something like, "Inconsistent hitter. Can carry a team when he gets hot. Prone to long slumps."

That statement is 100 percent accurate regardless of whether Rios went 6-for-6 or 0-for-6 in his most recent game. Scouts know what he is. They aren't going to suddenly believe Rios is a .320 hitter based upon what he did last night, nor are they suddenly going to believe he sucks if he has a week where he goes 3-for-24.
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And you're basing any of this on what, exactly? Your conversations with baseball executives across the league?
Based on what I've read, and learned following baseball for 40 years.
But based on the tone of your question, I can only assume that your opinion that it doesn't' matter if Rios is in a slump or not is based on conversations with baseball executives. So I bow down to superior knowledge.
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Old 07-10-2013, 02:38 PM
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Your opinion may fluctuate on him, but a scout's opinion won't.

A scout might say something like, "Inconsistent hitter. Can carry a team when he gets hot. Prone to long slumps."

That statement is 100 percent accurate regardless of whether Rios went 6-for-6 or 0-for-6 in his most recent game. Scouts know what he is. They aren't going to suddenly believe Rios is a .320 hitter based upon what he did last night, nor are they suddenly going to believe he sucks if he has a week where he goes 3-for-24.
Well I'll just say I'd prefer him to be hitting well when we're trying to trade him, than not hitting well when we're trying to trade him.
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