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Old 08-05-2013, 06:20 PM
A. Cavatica A. Cavatica is offline
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Like it or not, this team has to be very very bad before it can start getting good again.

Someone has to be the manager. You don't want someone good enough to turn a .367 team into a .467 team, screw up the draft picks, and tempt the team to hold onto the aging, overpriced veterans.

I think Robin's playing his part to perfection.
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:39 PM
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Because in this particular case, the zero experienced manager won 85 games. Now that he does have experience, his team is losing. You can't have both. If his inexperience is the reason or at least one of the reasons the team is so bad, how come the team was really good last year when he had zero experience? And zero experience is a misnomer. The guy played MLB for 15 years or so. It's not like he started watching the game a week before they hired him. Everyone who criticizes him on this board has less experience than him, yet they seem to think they are experts. This is baseball. The x's and o's are pretty standard. It's dealing with the players and managing the pitching staff which are the tough things, and Cooper has a lot of power in the pitcher's department.
85 wins is not far above .500 , not very good. I would think a lot of players playing over there head had a lot more to do with that than he did. But if you give him credit for that you must also give him some credit for this mess.
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:59 PM
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Lefty up he doesn't bring in Veal, basehit, gamethread is full of Ventura is an idiot.
Someone's in the gamethread?

Yes, Robin is the victim in all this.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:20 AM
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Regardless of management's culpability in hiring Robin in the first place, I think one big reason that he's not taking more heat for this debacle is, quite frankly, a lot of people just don't care about this team anymore.

This team is so bad that many fans have just tuned them out. As far as the media goes, they don't have that much interest in the Sox to begin with. Having the team be this bad just makes them that much more irrelevant as far as local coverage is concerned.

When Sox teams struggled under Ozzie - those were talented teams that seemed to be just on the cusp of making the playoffs. It was maddening to see them often fall apart early and again late in seasons that held some promise. Of course the manager is going to get heat for that. This year's team is just flat out bad. Ventura is part of the problem because he's not a good manager. But almost nobody thinks getting rid of him will turn this team into a winner. So, people aren't wasting their time getting all pissed off at him.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:02 AM
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Regardless of management's culpability in hiring Robin in the first place, I think one big reason that he's not taking more heat for this debacle is, quite frankly, a lot of people just don't care about this team anymore.

This team is so bad that many fans have just tuned them out. As far as the media goes, they don't have that much interest in the Sox to begin with. Having the team be this bad just makes them that much more irrelevant as far as local coverage is concerned.

When Sox teams struggled under Ozzie - those were talented teams that seemed to be just on the cusp of making the playoffs. It was maddening to see them often fall apart early and again late in seasons that held some promise. Of course the manager is going to get heat for that. This year's team is just flat out bad. Ventura is part of the problem because he's not a good manager. But almost nobody thinks getting rid of him will turn this team into a winner. So, people aren't wasting their time getting all pissed off at him.
Very good summary. I know I am in this boat.
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