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Old 08-04-2013, 09:00 AM
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Default Viciedo at 1B?

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VIciedo getting early work at first base: pic.twitter.com/uIvGmDBXlm

I'd like to see him as our DH for next season. Hopefully Dunn will be gone.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:29 AM
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Supposedly one of the Sox long term plans is to replace Konerko with Viciedo, even decided in before this season.

IMO this is a huge step down both offensively and defensively. He can barely handle LF on defense and has regressed with the bat.

If rather see the Sox sell another team on paying for power potential and find better 1B options both above and below where Viciedo would be now on the org depth chart.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:43 AM
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1B has long been where the worst defender on the team plays. Viciedo has played a corner infield position before. If he can learn to scoop low throws, he should be fine. The question is will his bat ever live up to the hype and what is expected of a 1B. He's practiced there before but with both Dunn and Konerko there simply wasn't any way to squeeze him in there. PK is gone after this season one way or another Dunn and Tank can split time at 1B/DH next year unless the Sox manage to trade Dunn. Anyone who didn't expect this really hasn't been paying attention, IMO.
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Old 08-04-2013, 11:18 AM
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A defensively poor, so-called power hitter 1B who slugs an OPS south of .750? Like an inferior, cheaper Dunn. If that's the solution then 2014 might be nearly as bad as 2013...
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Old 08-04-2013, 11:37 AM
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Just looking at the org depth chart- this makes sense- we don't have an 1B prospects of quality in the system, assuming PK retires and Dunn is our only other option- moving Viciedo to 1B makes sense.

We don't have many legit OF prospects either (assuming Garcia will be in CF or RF- if we move Rios)- but there's more depth than 1B.

This is not an endorsement of Tank at 1B- but I doubt we'll be able to move Dunn before his contract expires.
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Old 08-04-2013, 11:59 AM
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Just looking at the org depth chart- this makes sense- we don't have an 1B prospects of quality in the system, assuming PK retires and Dunn is our only other option- moving Viciedo to 1B makes sense.

We don't have many legit OF prospects either (assuming Garcia will be in CF or RF- if we move Rios)- but there's more depth than 1B.

This is not an endorsement of Tank at 1B- but I doubt we'll be able to move Dunn before his contract expires.
Nobody is taking Dunn unless we pay a large portion of his contract. A playoff contender who loses a DH could be willing to acquire him if we shell out big $$$ for next year. However, if we do that, it would need to be for the prospects to get time - and I agree, we aren't blocking a lot of guys right now for 1B/DH roles. If we're going to deem 2014 as a rebuilding year, we might as well give Tank a chance to show he can make improvements in his hitting in sort of a "fresh start." I expect 2014 to be a lot of guys jockeying for positions in 2015: Phegley, Flowers, Jordan Danks, Morel, Gillaspie, Wells, Mitchell, Tekotte, etc. This will give us an idea who is part of our future and who we need to move. Unfortunately most of those guys probably aren't going to provide much benefit to the ML roster.

Based on our offense, unless we sign a FA bat or two or some guys come around, not even our starting pitching has a good chance to avoid another great 1st round draft pick next year.
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Old 08-04-2013, 12:22 PM
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I expect 2014 to be a lot of guys jockeying for positions in 2015: Phegley, Flowers, Jordan Danks, Morel, Gillaspie, Wells, Mitchell, Tekotte, etc.
I was hoping for Mitchell to become the great CF that i've been waiting my whole life for .. one dog is the only one that even came close .. i guess it won't happen in my lifetime..
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Old 08-04-2013, 12:30 PM
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Phegley, Flowers, Jordan Danks, Morel, Gillaspie, Wells, Mitchell, Tekotte, etc. This will give us an idea who is part of our future and who we need to move. Unfortunately most of those guys probably aren't going to provide much benefit to the ML roster.

Based on our offense, unless we sign a FA bat or two or some guys come around, not even our starting pitching has a good chance to avoid another great 1st round draft pick next year.
I don't expect anything special at all from that bunch. Yes without a couple of strong additions to the lineup next year looks bleak too.
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Old 08-04-2013, 01:24 PM
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According to Robin, this is only an emergency replacement move and there are no plans to move him to 1st base. He is improving in left field.............. Robin feels.

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Old 08-04-2013, 01:28 PM
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A defensively poor, so-called power hitter 1B who slugs an OPS south of .750? Like an inferior, cheaper Dunn. If that's the solution then 2014 might be nearly as bad as 2013...
I hope so.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:28 PM
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Supposedly one of the Sox long term plans is to replace Konerko with Viciedo, even decided in before this season.

IMO this is a huge step down both offensively and defensively. He can barely handle LF on defense and has regressed with the bat.

If rather see the Sox sell another team on paying for power potential and find better 1B options both above and below where Viciedo would be now on the org depth chart.
The Sox have the 4th lowest fielding % at 1B and their overall defense at 1st has cost them 11 runs more than and average fielding team. So whatever Viciedo does, it can't really make things much worse.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...fielding.shtml

Offensively he's better than 2013 Konerko, and if he could get his OBP up he's be close to Dunn.

I also just noticed De Aza is second on the team in HRs. Holy hell is this team's success predicated on hitting HRs.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:33 PM
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Nobody is taking Dunn unless we pay a large portion of his contract. A playoff contender who loses a DH could be willing to acquire him if we shell out big $$$ for next year. However, if we do that, it would need to be for the prospects to get time - and I agree, we aren't blocking a lot of guys right now for 1B/DH roles. If we're going to deem 2014 as a rebuilding year, we might as well give Tank a chance to show he can make improvements in his hitting in sort of a "fresh start." I expect 2014 to be a lot of guys jockeying for positions in 2015: Phegley, Flowers, Jordan Danks, Morel, Gillaspie, Wells, Mitchell, Tekotte, etc. This will give us an idea who is part of our future and who we need to move. Unfortunately most of those guys probably aren't going to provide much benefit to the ML roster.

Based on our offense, unless we sign a FA bat or two or some guys come around, not even our starting pitching has a good chance to avoid another great 1st round draft pick next year.
I really think Dunn will have considerable value at the deadline next year. He's been a beast for months. Power is at a premium.
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Old 08-04-2013, 03:21 PM
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I really think Dunn will have considerable value at the deadline next year. He's been a beast for months. Power is at a premium.
Unless he reverts back to 2011 Adam Dunn.
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Old 08-04-2013, 03:22 PM
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Unless he reverts back to 2011 Adam Dunn.
Well, duh.
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Old 08-04-2013, 03:30 PM
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I hope so.
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