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Old 08-04-2013, 03:38 PM
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You hope so...
Well, I see his point. If we are going to miss the playoffs or something next year, might as well be awful and get another super high draft pick.
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Old 08-04-2013, 03:54 PM
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I don't expect anything special at all from that bunch. Yes without a couple of strong additions to the lineup next year looks bleak too.
I see some guys who can be around for awhile as back-up OFs or back-up catchers, but we don't have much starting talent there. Hopefully we can find a couple FAs who may be a bit past their prime but can help be leaders in the clubhouse. If we can get a few good FAs and 2014 is a throwaway year for them to have them aboard for 2015, I'm ok with that. That will get a few guys established in the clubhouse to bring a few more guys aboard for 2015 with the $$$ from Dunn and Rios (unless we can dump Rios). If we could get anything from Alexei, Beckham, and Tank, improving this team could be a heck of a lot easier to look more for an OF or two, a 3B, a C, and some relievers.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:29 PM
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You hope so...
Sox are for sure two years away from being relevant. I wouldn't be upset at all if the Sox lost 90+ again next year.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:34 PM
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Sox are for sure two years away from being relevant. I wouldn't be upset at all if the Sox lost 90+ again next year.
Baseball isn't basketball, high draft picks guarantee nothing. I want the Sox to actually win games.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:37 PM
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Baseball isn't basketball, high draft picks guarantee nothing. I want the Sox to actually win games.
Exactly. High draft picks have less meaning in baseball than any other sport by a comfortable margin.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:51 PM
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Baseball isn't basketball, high draft picks guarantee nothing. I want the Sox to actually win games.

If you want the largest impact players, you are better off in the top 20 picks of the MLB draft.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb...ick-breakdown/

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Old 08-04-2013, 09:52 PM
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Exactly. High draft picks have less meaning in baseball than any other sport by a comfortable margin.
I don't see this as true. #1-5 overall might not be as important. But being high in the first round (top 20) is going to net you the best MLB players more often than not.
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:45 PM
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I don't see this as true. #1-5 overall might not be as important. But being high in the first round (top 20) is going to net you the best MLB players more often than not.
A team can be in the top 20 in the draft after having a winning season the year before.
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Old 08-04-2013, 11:41 PM
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Baseball isn't basketball, high draft picks guarantee nothing. I want the Sox to actually win games.
Amen. This should be obvious, but apparently it is not.
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:42 AM
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Baseball isn't basketball, high draft picks guarantee nothing. I want the Sox to actually win games.
Add me to the chorus. Predicting success in baseball is much harder than in several other sports.
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:31 PM
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No Lebron James is walking through the door sure, but a team that has such awful depth in the minors needs as many high picks as they can get. I for sure would love two straight years of picking in the top 10.

The more young talent the better. Prospects don't always have to succeed. They are assets before they are major leaguers.
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:13 PM
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No Lebron James is walking through the door sure, but a team that has such awful depth in the minors needs as many high picks as they can get. I for sure would love two straight years of picking in the top 10.

The more young talent the better. Prospects don't always have to succeed. They are assets before they are major leaguers.
There is more than one way to build a team, losing and picking high fails more often than it succeeds, and some of the best teams at drafting and player development are not teams who have the luxury of picking in the top 5 (Atlanta and St. Louis come to mind). Losing accomplishes nothing and only begets more losing. Like I said, I actually want the Sox to win ball games...
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:41 AM
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The way next year is shaping up with most players still under contract, right now its difficult to see how we have much choice over whether we have a winning team in '14 or not. It seems pointless bringing in 1/2 FA's in the off-season as this team needs more than that to turn it around.

I say lets experiment a little with the youngsters and accept the fact its going to be another poor season next year. I appreciate that getting more top draft picks doesn't guarantee future success, but neither is it going to do us any harm as an organisation.

I would also accept offers for Sale in the off-season (*ducking for cover*).
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:09 PM
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1B has long been where the worst defender on the team plays. Viciedo has played a corner infield position before. If he can learn to scoop low throws, he should be fine. The question is will his bat ever live up to the hype and what is expected of a 1B. He's practiced there before but with both Dunn and Konerko there simply wasn't any way to squeeze him in there. PK is gone after this season one way or another Dunn and Tank can split time at 1B/DH next year unless the Sox manage to trade Dunn. Anyone who didn't expect this really hasn't been paying attention, IMO.
What worries me is his footwork at 1B. It's not a huge deal, but it's definitely something that would take some time for him to get used to. Based on his learning curve in LF, I'm just not sure this is something that could happen quickly.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:18 PM
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No surprise to me on Tank. He has decent hands,and with work can play first,which is a natural position for him.

Remember Moneyball and the non 1st baseman that Billy Beane wanted at 1st? They trained him and he did ok.

Tank is going to learn and bounce back from this year at the plate.
Too early to give up on him.

Tank,Gordo, Alexei,Conner,Josh,Garcia,Rios,DeAza and Dunn could be competitive if the pitching stays good and they hit the ball like they can.
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