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Old 08-08-2013, 04:05 PM
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Still, its close to $20 million that could be reallocated. Its not like what would come back for him is going to be a really great prospect anyway.
Again, you do not give him up for nothing. You do not give him up for a lousy prospect. He's going into a contract year. That is a big advantage whether we keep him or we trade him.

If we keep him, he's motivated to bust his butt next year. If we trade him, he's motivated to bust his butt next year and thus should have value. Significant value.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:06 PM
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How do you know this?
They were trying to move him before the deadline. The reports on MLB traderumors were the Sox were offered "organizational filler" for Rios. Non prospects. Holding out for a Brandon Jacobs-like prospect and keeping this $20 million on the books when you just traded for a replacement makes zero sense.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:06 PM
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Any remote chance they'll send Dunn through waivers and package them?
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:06 PM
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Finally some common sense.

Rios is still a solid player and decent value for his contract. You just don't give up a guy like this for nothing. The Blue Jays gave him up for nothing but that's when 5 years were left on his deal and that team was bleeding poor with other bad contracts.
17.5 million dollars is NOT nothing. ($4M on this year's salary, $12.5M next year, $1M buyout.)

He has an OPS of .749. He's hit 2 home runs since mid-May. He has a terrible attitude.

The money being saved that can be spent on other free agents or to extend any good young players we draft/trade for in the future has a ton of value.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:06 PM
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Again, you do not give him up for nothing. You do not give him up for a lousy prospect. He's going into a contract year. That is a big advantage whether we keep him or we trade him.

If we keep him, he's motivated to bust his butt next year. If we trade him, he's motivated to bust his butt next year and thus should have value. Significant value.
I don't think telling another GM, "It's his contract year, so he will play harder!" would really be a good selling point.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:08 PM
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http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/tex...o-land-him.ece

According to a Major League source, the Rangers on Thursday were awarded the prevailing claim on Chicago White Sox outfielder Alex Rios.

The White Sox can either work a trade with the Rangers within 72 hours, allow Texas to simply take on Rios' contact via the waiver claim or pull him back from waivers.

The Rangers had shown some interest in Rios before the trade deadline but his age (32), his lack of impact power and a contract worth $13.5 million for 2014 made them leery.

More details to come.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:10 PM
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Sox should have a little bit of leverage in this situation. Rangers are desperate for a bat and have been looking at a band aid platoon option in the OF in the wake of Cruz's suspension.

They know the Sox won't give him up for nothing and could hold onto him, so I think there's a good chance for a deal of fair value here.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:11 PM
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Again, you do not give him up for nothing. You do not give him up for a lousy prospect. He's going into a contract year. That is a big advantage whether we keep him or we trade him.

If we keep him, he's motivated to bust his butt next year. If we trade him, he's motivated to bust his butt next year and thus should have value. Significant value.
While I think that is a consideration, Alex Rios and motivation aren't usually used in the same sentence. They have Garcia. If they let Rios go and added other players with Rios' money this offseason it would make a lot of sense. When the Sox traded CLee, they were able to add iguchi and AJ with the money saved. They should absolutely try to buy a good prospect here, but if Texas doesn't bite, unless they don't reallocate the funds, they actually will get something for him.
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Common sense? The guy has a .9 WAR this year. Just barely above average
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:13 PM
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They were trying to move him before the deadline. The reports on MLB traderumors were the Sox were offered "organizational filler" for Rios. Non prospects. Holding out for a Brandon Jacobs-like prospect and keeping this $20 million on the books when you just traded for a replacement makes zero sense.

Makes tons of sense. There's no urgency. Sox aren't hurting financially. They are clearly in the driver's seat, and did not pull the trigger initially because they knew the Rangers were low-balling them.

Now that the official verdict is out, and Cruz is gone - BIG advantage to the Sox in terms of negotiation.

Rios might end this season with 20+HR 30+2B and 35+SB.
Compare that to Leonys Martin and Craig Gentry. Advantage White Sox.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:13 PM
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Sox should have a little bit of leverage in this situation. Rangers are desperate for a bat and have been looking at a band aid platoon option in the OF in the wake of Cruz's suspension.

They know the Sox won't give him up for nothing and could hold onto him, so I think there's a good chance for a deal of fair value here.
Indeed. The Sox don't have to trade him, but they should if offered fair value.

I'd like to see Rios moved to make room for Garcia, but only an idiot would give Rios away for nothing. He has value. For a player that has no value, see Wells, Casper.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:14 PM
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Again, you do not give him up for nothing. You do not give him up for a lousy prospect. He's going into a contract year. That is a big advantage whether we keep him or we trade him.

If we keep him, he's motivated to bust his butt next year. If we trade him, he's motivated to bust his butt next year and thus should have value. Significant value.
All you're gonna get right now is lousy prospects. The Rangers depleted the farm in the Garza trade, JD is not going to give away any decent prospects, and Rios is a nice to have, not a need, for them.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:15 PM
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Common sense? The guy has a .9 WAR this year. Just barely above average
The question isn't how Rios compares to average. It's how does Rios compare to whoever the Rangers will play without him...he would be a vast improvement over Gentry and Murphy, therefore his value to the Rangers would be high.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:18 PM
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All you're gonna get right now is lousy prospects. The Rangers depleted the farm in the Garza trade, JD is not going to give away any decent prospects, and Rios is a nice to have, not a need, for them.
Well. I would say he is a need for them.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:19 PM
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Rios is a nice to have, not a need, for them.
If you're trying to win a WS, you need somebody such as Rios if you are the Rangers. If you're trying to be the best team, having one decent OFer isn't going to stack up. They're middle of the pack offensively, even an average producer if you want to call Rios that will improve their offense considerably vs. sending out some who will bat .220/.290/.350 who in addition has lesser defensive and baserunning ability.
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