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Old 08-17-2014, 04:15 PM
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We tried to give it away but hold on for a win. After the big 6 run first I thought we were going to have a laugher but with our pitching there is no such thing.
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Old 08-17-2014, 05:29 PM
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I thought the turning point of the game was going to be the Sox grounding into a double play in the second with runners on first and third and one out. Despite the five-run lead, I thought the Sox needed to continue to not let the Blue Jays starter settle in. At that point, it wouldn't have taken many more runs to get into the overworked Jays bullpen. As it was, the starter went seven after giving up six runs and throwing about 40 pitches in the first.

Maybe the game did turn in the second and the Sox simply put the game out of reach Adding a run when Danks grounded into a double play with nobody out certainly helped in that it put one more run on the board after the Jays pulled within one. Every reliever was in trouble to some degree and managed to pitch out of it. I thought another turning point was Gibbons made a mistake when he pinch-hit for Lind because Lind's spot in the order would be coming up again facing a right-hander if the Jays were going to win the game. But Valencia got the only hit in the ninth and loaded the bases with one out. Not a good move, but it didn't hurt the Jays.

Carroll, especially being questionable with a blister, gave the Sox what they needed today, limiting the damage for the most part. Getting the bases-loaded double play saved a run, and even in the runner would have been out at the plate if plays at the plate were adjudicated the way teams have been trained to play them and baseball in general has played them for more than a century. For a pitcher best suited for middle/long relief, Carroll gave the Sox what they needed, nearly going six before the bullpen held on to give him the win.

As it turned out, the difference in the game was the Danks home run after the Beckham two-out single in the first, which seemed superfluous at the time. Of course, the difference-maker was the Gillaspie grand-slam that turned a 1-0 deficit into a 4-1 lead. As much as Sox fans complain about Gillaspie's lasck of power, he is tied for the team lead in doubles with Abreu and is tied for second on the team in triples, just two behind Eaton. Gillaspie has more extra base hits and just one fewer RBI than Dunn in the same number of games, posting a higher slugging percentage.

The weekend could have been a sweep with some better bullpen work Saturday, but the Sox did OK against the Jays this year, although they were shut out in their first game in Canada. Jays fans are probably upset that they dropped five of seven to the Sox this year.
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Old 08-17-2014, 06:36 PM
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I thought the turning point of the game was going to be the Sox grounding into a double play in the second with runners on first and third and one out. Despite the five-run lead, I thought the Sox needed to continue to not let the Blue Jays starter settle in. At that point, it wouldn't have taken many more runs to get into the overworked Jays bullpen. As it was, the starter went seven after giving up six runs and throwing about 40 pitches in the first.

Maybe the game did turn in the second and the Sox simply put the game out of reach Adding a run when Danks grounded into a double play with nobody out certainly helped in that it put one more run on the board after the Jays pulled within one. Every reliever was in trouble to some degree and managed to pitch out of it. I thought another turning point was Gibbons made a mistake when he pinch-hit for Lind because Lind's spot in the order would be coming up again facing a right-hander if the Jays were going to win the game. But Valencia got the only hit in the ninth and loaded the bases with one out. Not a good move, but it didn't hurt the Jays.

Carroll, especially being questionable with a blister, gave the Sox what they needed today, limiting the damage for the most part. Getting the bases-loaded double play saved a run, and even in the runner would have been out at the plate if plays at the plate were adjudicated the way teams have been trained to play them and baseball in general has played them for more than a century. For a pitcher best suited for middle/long relief, Carroll gave the Sox what they needed, nearly going six before the bullpen held on to give him the win.

As it turned out, the difference in the game was the Danks home run after the Beckham two-out single in the first, which seemed superfluous at the time. Of course, the difference-maker was the Gillaspie grand-slam that turned a 1-0 deficit into a 4-1 lead. As much as Sox fans complain about Gillaspie's lasck of power, he is tied for the team lead in doubles with Abreu and is tied for second on the team in triples, just two behind Eaton. Gillaspie has more extra base hits and just one fewer RBI than Dunn in the same number of games, posting a higher slugging percentage.

The weekend could have been a sweep with some better bullpen work Saturday, but the Sox did OK against the Jays this year, although they were shut out in their first game in Canada. Jays fans are probably upset that they dropped five of seven to the Sox this year.
Great write up!

The Sox did hold their own against Toronto this year and are 4 games above .500 against teams with winning records. If our bullpen could have held the leads against the bad teams, we would still be in the wild card race. We would be a flawed team, but we would be in the race.
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Old 08-17-2014, 06:44 PM
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The Jays could have put themselves back into the wild-card race with a sweep in Chicago this weekend, so it's good to see the Sox hold their own against one of the contenders in the AL East (we get the other two in the next two series).

That 7.13 rule has to get clarified.
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Old 08-17-2014, 06:55 PM
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I thought the turning point of the game was going to be the Sox grounding into a double play in the second with runners on first and third and one out. Despite the five-run lead, I thought the Sox needed to continue to not let the Blue Jays starter settle in. At that point, it wouldn't have taken many more runs to get into the overworked Jays bullpen. As it was, the starter went seven after giving up six runs and throwing about 40 pitches in the first.

Maybe the game did turn in the second and the Sox simply put the game out of reach Adding a run when Danks grounded into a double play with nobody out certainly helped in that it put one more run on the board after the Jays pulled within one. Every reliever was in trouble to some degree and managed to pitch out of it. I thought another turning point was Gibbons made a mistake when he pinch-hit for Lind because Lind's spot in the order would be coming up again facing a right-hander if the Jays were going to win the game. But Valencia got the only hit in the ninth and loaded the bases with one out. Not a good move, but it didn't hurt the Jays.

Carroll, especially being questionable with a blister, gave the Sox what they needed today, limiting the damage for the most part. Getting the bases-loaded double play saved a run, and even in the runner would have been out at the plate if plays at the plate were adjudicated the way teams have been trained to play them and baseball in general has played them for more than a century. For a pitcher best suited for middle/long relief, Carroll gave the Sox what they needed, nearly going six before the bullpen held on to give him the win.

As it turned out, the difference in the game was the Danks home run after the Beckham two-out single in the first, which seemed superfluous at the time. Of course, the difference-maker was the Gillaspie grand-slam that turned a 1-0 deficit into a 4-1 lead. As much as Sox fans complain about Gillaspie's lasck of power, he is tied for the team lead in doubles with Abreu and is tied for second on the team in triples, just two behind Eaton. Gillaspie has more extra base hits and just one fewer RBI than Dunn in the same number of games, posting a higher slugging percentage.

The weekend could have been a sweep with some better bullpen work Saturday, but the Sox did OK against the Jays this year, although they were shut out in their first game in Canada. Jays fans are probably upset that they dropped five of seven to the Sox this year.
But, Danks didn't ground into a double play in the sixth. That was a sacrifice fly to left field, and he was credited with an RBI. Beckham, the trail runner, foolishly tried to advance to second and was thrown out. So, there were two outs recorded on the play, but it was not a GIDP.

At any rate, nice series win against a team that needed to win more than the White Sox did.
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Old 08-17-2014, 07:16 PM
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Luck on our side thanks to that grand slam. Walking 7 guys is pathetic.
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Old 08-17-2014, 08:48 PM
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But, Danks didn't ground into a double play in the sixth. That was a sacrifice fly to left field, and he was credited with an RBI. Beckham, the trail runner, foolishly tried to advance to second and was thrown out. So, there were two outs recorded on the play, but it was not a GIDP.

At any rate, nice series win against a team that needed to win more than the White Sox did.
Thanks for the clarification. I was actually working on something that inning and only saw the results for it after the fact -- single, single first to third, run-scoring double play and out. That means that Danks did his job and drove in the last three runs in a game the Sox won by two. Danks deserves more credit I gave him. Had I looked at the box score, I would have seen Danks with three RBIs.

In that situation, it isn't foolish to try to advance to second on the sacrifice fly, to try to get into scoring position with the No. 9 hitter, the backup catcher, coming up. Foolish would have been if Beckham had been the third out, tagged before the run scored.
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Old 08-17-2014, 09:06 PM
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Old 08-17-2014, 10:27 PM
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What's the opinion on the out call on Garcia? It seemed pretty clear on the replay that the third baseman missed the tag the first time, and then came back and tagged Garcia, but after his foot had hit third base. Stone also seemed certain the play would be reversed. However, the play was not, and, furthermore, was confirmed in about 30 seconds.
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Old 08-17-2014, 11:36 PM
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What's the opinion on the out call on Garcia? It seemed pretty clear on the replay that the third baseman missed the tag the first time, and then came back and tagged Garcia, but after his foot had hit third base. Stone also seemed certain the play would be reversed. However, the play was not, and, furthermore, was confirmed in about 30 seconds.
I think replay is broken, just like it is in the NFL.
I've seen so many blatantly missed calls (not just against the Sox).


Also the new catcher rule is EXTREMELY flawed.
The thing I really don't understand is that Reyes NEVER touched the plate.
So if the catcher is anywhere in the baseline without the ball and you're past third base, you're technically safe at home because the catcher is not giving a clear path to home plate.

If I were Robin I'd ask the guys upstairs to tell him if the catcher was blocking the base path when the Sox have a guy past third. By rule, he should be awarded home plate.
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Old 08-18-2014, 01:07 AM
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Thanks for the clarification. I was actually working on something that inning and only saw the results for it after the fact -- single, single first to third, run-scoring double play and out. That means that Danks did his job and drove in the last three runs in a game the Sox won by two. Danks deserves more credit I gave him. Had I looked at the box score, I would have seen Danks with three RBIs.

In that situation, it isn't foolish to try to advance to second on the sacrifice fly, to try to get into scoring position with the No. 9 hitter, the backup catcher, coming up. Foolish would have been if Beckham had been the third out, tagged before the run scored.
Given that he was thrown out rather easily, I didn't think it was a good gamble to take.
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Given that he was thrown out rather easily, I didn't think it was a good gamble to take.
Yeah, there are plenty of left fielders in baseball that you might try and run on. Melky Cabrera is not one of them.

Here's the video of Danks' sac fly and the out at 2B so people can judge for themselves. Beckham's out by what? 10 feet? You know, make a charge, maybe see if you catch the guy sleeping or force a **** throw, but it should have been pretty obvious that he had no chance.

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Conor Gillaspie unsung player this year. Very under the radar and exactly the type of hitter the Sox have needed for years. I feel the kid has a bright future.
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Conor Gillaspie unsung player this year. Very under the radar and exactly the type of hitter the Sox have needed for years. I feel the kid has a bright future.
Has been above .300 all year. I don't care where we have to put him, we need him in the line-up next year if he's hitting like this. I'll take him at 1B if Davidson can hit better next year to play 3B and move Abreu to primary DH. Then, more money could be spent on LF, another starter, and the pen if Johnson gets the nod at 2B. That's a big "If" with Davidson struggling to bat above .200. If he's up in the majors next year, I think he'll easily be above 162 Ks if we're talking about a full season.
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Has been above .300 all year. I don't care where we have to put him, we need him in the line-up next year if he's hitting like this. I'll take him at 1B if Davidson can hit better next year to play 3B and move Abreu to primary DH. Then, more money could be spent on LF, another starter, and the pen if Johnson gets the nod at 2B. That's a big "If" with Davidson struggling to bat above .200. If he's up in the majors next year, I think he'll easily be above 162 Ks if we're talking about a full season.
He still only hits .218 vs. LHPs, I think his best role is as a "super sub" rotating 3B/1B/DH vs. RHPs-but that only comes into play if/when Davidson is ready.
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