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Old 12-12-2017, 11:53 PM
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Default Hahn comments from Winter Meetings...

Thought this would be the place to put all of them:

Scott Merkin‏Verified account @scottmerkin 9m9 minutes ago Hahn on trading prospects for a big leaguer with multiple years of control: "It's conceivable, yes. But it would have to be with the idea of extended control being part of it."

More Hahn: "I think frankly we'll probably be in a little better position for deals like that a year from now. I think we'll have a much better understanding of which of this group is going to be taking a step forward."

Mark Gonzales‏ @MDGonzales 43m43 minutes ago Hahn said reports on Rodon’s rehab are encouraging but time table for return not more defined until around spring training
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Old 12-13-2017, 01:31 AM
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I like it. We aren't yet in a position to be selling off prospects for established players. We're heading in that direction, but it's tenuous enough that a bad deal can send it spiraling out of control, leaving us back in limbo.
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Old 12-13-2017, 09:23 AM
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The ONLY player I would even consider buying right now is Machado and that would be only if we had an extension worked out beforehand. You need a generational type talent to build around, we don't have one, he is one of the best and at 25, would fit just fine.
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:40 PM
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“It would have to be extended control,’’ Hahn said when asked if he would trade pieces of his future for an established player. “That’s an important part of this for us. We’re not looking at stopgaps.”
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Old 12-13-2017, 01:46 PM
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“It would have to be extended control,’’ Hahn said when asked if he would trade pieces of his future for an established player. “That’s an important part of this for us. We’re not looking at stopgaps.
That's the right thing to say, Rick has definitely turned into a good PR guy in front of the cameras. But when the competitive window opens up in two or three years will the front office be able to control themselves and not return to the reckless ways of old?
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Old 12-13-2017, 02:23 PM
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That's the right thing to say, Rick has definitely turned into a good PR guy in front of the cameras. But when the competitive window opens up in two or three years will the front office be able to control themselves and not return to the reckless ways of old?
Assuming JR is still the owner I guess a lot would depend on his attitude towards things two or three years down the road.
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Old 12-13-2017, 02:30 PM
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That's the right thing to say, Rick has definitely turned into a good PR guy in front of the cameras. But when the competitive window opens up in two or three years will the front office be able to control themselves and not return to the reckless ways of old?
The hope is that the minor league system will be replenished often enough and consistently enough to make the days of a barren farm system a thing of the past. The slot amounts in the draft and the bonus pools in the international system give me the impression that this will happen.
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Old 12-13-2017, 05:19 PM
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That's the right thing to say, Rick has definitely turned into a good PR guy in front of the cameras. But when the competitive window opens up in two or three years will the front office be able to control themselves and not return to the reckless ways of old?
The million-dollar question.
Now much of the success will depend on how Hahn and company draft and develop.....if they improve that significantly, they will be able to absorb some terrible moves (like he/williams made in the past)..
The Astros made some terrible trades; and even wasted the #1 pick in recent years....yet their org. is so good, that the talent pipeline flows endlessly.
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Old 12-13-2017, 05:41 PM
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The million-dollar question.
Now much of the success will depend on how Hahn and company draft and develop.....if they improve that significantly, they will be able to absorb some terrible moves (like he/williams made in the past)..
The Astros made some terrible trades; and even wasted the #1 pick in recent years....yet their org. is so good, that the talent pipeline flows endlessly.
But that pipeline will dry up if the Sox start winning: you (mostly) can't keep drafting top talent when you're drafting in the bottom part of the first round. So yeah, the more successful the Sox are, the more likely they are to start failing in the future.

As has been alluded to, that can be mitigated with proper scouting and development, though. Let's all cross our fingers and hope, because I dunno about you guys, but the closer we get to 2019/2020, the more anxiety--both positive and negative--I begin to feel. And yes, I know that everything is still in the early stages.
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Old 12-13-2017, 05:57 PM
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But that pipeline will dry up if the Sox start winning: you (mostly) can't keep drafting top talent when you're drafting in the bottom part of the first round. So yeah, the more successful the Sox are, the more likely they are to start failing in the future.

As has been alluded to, that can be mitigated with proper scouting and development, though.
Yes you can...drafting last means that you, essentially, don't get a first round pick. Your first is really a 2nd, 2nd really a 3rd and so on. A lot of talent comes from other sources than the first round.
What the Sox have now isn't a flowing pipeline. They filled the pipe. For this to work, they have to generate their own. The Astros just won a WS, traded away numerous good prospects, and still have a lot of quality prospects.
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Old 12-13-2017, 07:04 PM
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Assuming JR is still the owner I guess a lot would depend on his attitude towards things two or three years down the road.
From what I heard recently from one of the team's owners, Reinsdorf isn't going anywhere. A couple years ago, most of the partners were in favor of selling. They were older and wanted to cash out, and were waiting for Reinsdorf to come around to their way of thinking. However, now that the state of the franchise has greatly improved in the last year, Reinsdorf's interest in keeping the team has only strengthened. According to my source, he told his partners if any want to sell, he will buy their shares (though it's assumed not for what they'd be worth if the team was put on the market for the highest bidder).
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Old 12-13-2017, 07:25 PM
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From what I heard recently from one of the team's owners, Reinsdorf isn't going anywhere. A couple years ago, most of the partners were in favor of selling. They were older and wanted to cash out, and were waiting for Reinsdorf to come around to their way of thinking. However, now that the state of the franchise has greatly improved in the last year, Reinsdorf's interest in keeping the team has only strengthened. According to my source, he told his partners if any want to sell, he will buy their shares (though it's assumed not for what they'd be worth if the team was put on the market for the highest bidder).
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Old 12-13-2017, 08:06 PM
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From what I heard recently from one of the team's owners, Reinsdorf isn't going anywhere. A couple years ago, most of the partners were in favor of selling. They were older and wanted to cash out, and were waiting for Reinsdorf to come around to their way of thinking. However, now that the state of the franchise has greatly improved in the last year, Reinsdorf's interest in keeping the team has only strengthened. According to my source, he told his partners if any want to sell, he will buy their shares (though it's assumed not for what they'd be worth if the team was put on the market for the highest bidder).
Sounds to me that the change in philosophy is filling the till and that will always make one very satisfied.
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Old 12-13-2017, 09:41 PM
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From what I heard recently from one of the team's owners, Reinsdorf isn't going anywhere. A couple years ago, most of the partners were in favor of selling. They were older and wanted to cash out, and were waiting for Reinsdorf to come around to their way of thinking. However, now that the state of the franchise has greatly improved in the last year, Reinsdorf's interest in keeping the team has only strengthened. According to my source, he told his partners if any want to sell, he will buy their shares (though it's assumed not for what they'd be worth if the team was put on the market for the highest bidder).
Near which baggage carousel did you hear that?
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Old 12-14-2017, 01:57 AM
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The ONLY player I would even consider buying right now is Machado and that would be only if we had an extension worked out beforehand. You need a generational type talent to build around, we don't have one, he is one of the best and at 25, would fit just fine.
And reports right now are that the Sox have made the best offer, maybe by far, for Machado. Crazy. But I trust Hahn.
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