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Old 04-20-2014, 10:35 PM
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Buehrle has a great chance to make Hall of Fame. Especially if he can get to 300 wins. He has record of 45 straight batters retired. He has gold gloves, all star appearances, ring, a no-no, a perfect game. He had a long string of games where he pitche at least 6 innings.

He has been the King of Consistency
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Old 04-21-2014, 09:39 AM
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Buehrle has a great chance to make Hall of Fame. Especially if he can get to 300 wins. He has record of 45 straight batters retired. He has gold gloves, all star appearances, ring, a no-no, a perfect game. He had a long string of games where he pitche at least 6 innings.
This has been beaten to death on these boards, but no way, no chance is Mark Buehrle a HOFer, and no way he wins 300 games unless he pitches until he's 45.

Baseball Reference's HOF Indicators are pretty good

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Old 04-21-2014, 09:49 AM
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This has been beaten to death on these boards, but no way, no chance is Mark Buehrle a HOFer, and no way he wins 300 games unless he pitches until he's 45.

Baseball Reference's HOF Indicators are pretty good

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I agree with you, but what is interesting about Buehrle's HOF case when it comes to advances sabremetrics is that Buehrle could potentially pass 3 HOFers on the JAWS leaderboard before his current contract is up; he will almost definitely pass Whitey Ford this year, and could potentially pass up the great Sandy Koufax, as well (and, you could add a 4th to the list if Andy Pettitte is elected, depending on how NY-biased the BBWAA still is).

But he's still far down the list. There are currently 59 SP in the Hall of Fame, Buehrle is #94 all-time according to JAWS. His score is almost 16 points lower than the average HOF SP.
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Old 04-21-2014, 09:58 AM
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This has been beaten to death on these boards, but no way, no chance is Mark Buehrle a HOFer, and no way he wins 300 games unless he pitches until he's 45.

Baseball Reference's HOF Indicators are pretty good

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Buehrle has had a much better career than all those guys. I think Buehrle can get in with 2 more solid seasons. You can tell that the press even loves him with all the fan fare he's getting too.
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Old 04-21-2014, 10:03 AM
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Buehrle has had a much better career than all those guys. I think Buehrle can get in with 2 more solid seasons
I love Buehrle as much as the rest of us do, but the first statement is an exaggeration, and the second is simply not going to happen.
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Old 04-21-2014, 11:14 AM
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I love Buehrle as much as the rest of us do, but the first statement is an exaggeration, and the second is simply not going to happen.
Exactly, he is a very good pitcher and will get his number retired by the White Sox but that's about it. He was never an elite pitcher and I highly doubt he ever will be.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:20 PM
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he is getting better and hasn't peaked yet. He doesn't throw hard and is just using his baseball experience and wisdom to get better.

Better pitch selection or more deception. Maybe Buehrle who has always been very good has figured out how to be great. Taking it to the next level.

Also has a chance to tie or beat Maddux's record of 20 season pitched with 10 or more victories. Throw in his perfect game, no hitter, and 45 straight retired and you can start to build a solid case for him.

Good article from ex-player Gabe Kapler. Shows how smart of a pitcher Buehrle is.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/m...-really-042014

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Old 04-21-2014, 04:23 PM
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he is getting better and hasn't peaked yet. He doesn't throw hard and is just using his baseball experience and wisdom to get better.

Better pitch selection or more deception. Maybe Buehrle who has always been very good has figured out how to be great. Taking it to the next level.

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Old 04-21-2014, 04:41 PM
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he is getting better and hasn't peaked yet.
Very, very, very, very unlikely.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:50 PM
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Very, very, very, very unlikely.

Agreed, plus he has talked about retirement many times, which could happen after his current contract is up.
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Old 04-21-2014, 08:53 PM
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he is getting better and hasn't peaked yet. He doesn't throw hard and is just using his baseball experience and wisdom to get better.

Better pitch selection or more deception. Maybe Buehrle who has always been very good has figured out how to be great. Taking it to the next level
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Old 04-21-2014, 10:30 PM
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He has a new and improved EPR. I hope that we don't have to face him.
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:02 AM
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Friday he's facing Boston. If he can somehow beat them, i'm saying he's for real. I don't remember him ever pitching this good so maybe he has made some huge change. His era plus is 640 right now....of course it will drop but if he can maintain a 130-140 era plus then he will have had a cy Young type season.

Right now he is
-Leading in WAR...1.6...pretty amazing
-Lowest era...0.64
-most wins....4
-adjusted era plus...640

-He has yet to give up a homerun in 28 innings.
-Has a WHIP of 0.929
-His K/9 is 6.1...The past two seasons this beats out all his Whitesox years except one.

-His 13 straight seasons of 200 innings is probably the most overlooked part of his resume. I think with this start he's having, people are going to start noticing him more.
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:41 AM
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Friday he's facing Boston. If he can somehow beat them, i'm saying he's for real.
Buehrle and Harang for Cy Young. Book it!
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:41 AM
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Buehrle is the very definition of a crafty lefty. With his easy, consistent motion and a style that depends on motion and speed changes and not overpowering people he could pitch until hes 42 or older if he wants and barring injury.

If he continues to pitch like this no reason he hasn't got at least one more multi-year contract in him. Maybe the Sox can bring him home. Heck maybe a mid-season trade next year if they are in the hunt and Toronto isn't. That would be teh awesome...
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